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Only that back then nobody on the Bus was complaining, but rather loudly bragging about their fat overtime checks compared to 777 pilots. How times change...
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Keep it coming, some of us sincerely enjoy your posts especially when you're proclaiming from your death bed how amazingly restful and refreshing your rosters are EVERY MONTH. Some of the new lads probably fall for it.
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Gloie we were bouncing off the limit back then. Check past posts.
I don't want to start comparing as to what was more inhumane, so let's agree that there will be good and bad times for each fleet and pilot.
You are wrong Gloie. Factoring was happening back then.
Do a search of posts from back then.
Nothing has changed. Only the fleet that is being shafted.
Do a search of posts from back then.
Nothing has changed. Only the fleet that is being shafted.
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Glo, I call BS on that. Factoring has been here for a long time, if I remember well, it came into effect shortly after we started more ULR flying, guess around 2005/2006??
Also, we were flying to an overtime threshold of 92 hours since 2008, not 88. (both thanks to TCAS/talking horse duo)
Also, India night turns were never 3 man ops or layover. Just 2 boys in the middle of the night, there and back.
Anyway, I can't be bothered with whining about how bad it is on one fleet and how good it is on the other. Apart from the new boys on the A380, we all did our fair share of horrible hours. For those who do like to whine, please use facts and not made up alternative stats.
Also, we were flying to an overtime threshold of 92 hours since 2008, not 88. (both thanks to TCAS/talking horse duo)
Also, India night turns were never 3 man ops or layover. Just 2 boys in the middle of the night, there and back.
Anyway, I can't be bothered with whining about how bad it is on one fleet and how good it is on the other. Apart from the new boys on the A380, we all did our fair share of horrible hours. For those who do like to whine, please use facts and not made up alternative stats.
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We had factoring in the mid 2000's, then they dropped it for a year or two as they were concerned with the legalities. 2006 I was grounded for a month as I was on max hours. Those days the 777 boys were doing 75 every month, regular as clockwork... And by the way until 2005 when the ER's started arriving we had 49 Busses and 20 777's and we didn't think we were special because of those numbers...
I have sympathy for everybody working way to hard (been over 100 in 28 a few times this year) but stop pretending that your are now the victims and the Bus guys are the gloating bastards... get off pprune and go shag the wife or have a beer.... unless you're to tired!
I have sympathy for everybody working way to hard (been over 100 in 28 a few times this year) but stop pretending that your are now the victims and the Bus guys are the gloating bastards... get off pprune and go shag the wife or have a beer.... unless you're to tired!
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Seniority in EK is almost worthless, there isn't even a seniority list that is accessible by the workforce.
New hires would never come if last on the list of roster requests month after month.
Other than Staff travel, seniority is hidden and worthless at EK.
J
New hires would never come if last on the list of roster requests month after month.
Other than Staff travel, seniority is hidden and worthless at EK.
J
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Some of the 345,343,330 boys did boast about the overtime the were getting in 05/06
They we're getting phoned up and accepting extra flights for overtime cash, not complaining about the hours.
They didn't do 90 hours every month. We still had a credit system then. (Leave ,sim etc)
They were all senior and jumped to 380 as soon as it appeared, so didn't do it for long.
The 330 guys didn't have it easy by any means but the hours were down at the end of that fleet.
But the real big difference is that 330 boys had hope.
They knew it was only a few more years then "I'll be on the 380"
The 777 boys have no hope insight.
Not judging, not blaming, not saying it's right or wrong.
Just my opinion and my memory may be wrong.
M
They we're getting phoned up and accepting extra flights for overtime cash, not complaining about the hours.
They didn't do 90 hours every month. We still had a credit system then. (Leave ,sim etc)
They were all senior and jumped to 380 as soon as it appeared, so didn't do it for long.
The 330 guys didn't have it easy by any means but the hours were down at the end of that fleet.
But the real big difference is that 330 boys had hope.
They knew it was only a few more years then "I'll be on the 380"
The 777 boys have no hope insight.
Not judging, not blaming, not saying it's right or wrong.
Just my opinion and my memory may be wrong.
M
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[QUOTE=Modesh;9780181]Some of the 345,343,330 boys did boast about the overtime the were getting in 05/06
They we're getting phoned up and accepting extra flights for overtime cash, not complaining about the hours.
They didn't do 90 hours every month. We still had a credit system then. (Leave ,sim etc)
They were all senior and jumped to 380 as soon as it appeared, so didn't do it for long.
The 330 guys didn't have it easy by any means but the hours were down at the end of that fleet.
But the real big difference is that 330 boys had hope.
They knew it was only a few more years then "I'll be on the 380"
The 777 boys have no hope insight.
Not judging, not blaming, not saying it's right or wrong.
Just my opinion and my memory may be wrong.
Modesh,
Let me be clear. There is NO hope anywhere in EK except for when you resign.
They we're getting phoned up and accepting extra flights for overtime cash, not complaining about the hours.
They didn't do 90 hours every month. We still had a credit system then. (Leave ,sim etc)
They were all senior and jumped to 380 as soon as it appeared, so didn't do it for long.
The 330 guys didn't have it easy by any means but the hours were down at the end of that fleet.
But the real big difference is that 330 boys had hope.
They knew it was only a few more years then "I'll be on the 380"
The 777 boys have no hope insight.
Not judging, not blaming, not saying it's right or wrong.
Just my opinion and my memory may be wrong.
Modesh,
Let me be clear. There is NO hope anywhere in EK except for when you resign.
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No better on the A380 trust me.
Couple of months ago on top bid was awarded Mel-Akl-Mel, through preference I never bid to go East at all, so go figure.
This month which was second bottom was sort of ok, next month( middle bid) absolutely nothing that I bid for was awarded.
I only bid for destinations, not dates, nor flight numbers or days of the week, recent advice was to make my bidding more generic !!!
As you say the continued crap rosters, followed by days of trying to e-swap with others who have the flights you'd like but don't want either, makes the whole thing a complete joke.
Couple of months ago on top bid was awarded Mel-Akl-Mel, through preference I never bid to go East at all, so go figure.
This month which was second bottom was sort of ok, next month( middle bid) absolutely nothing that I bid for was awarded.
I only bid for destinations, not dates, nor flight numbers or days of the week, recent advice was to make my bidding more generic !!!
As you say the continued crap rosters, followed by days of trying to e-swap with others who have the flights you'd like but don't want either, makes the whole thing a complete joke.
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Mid bid B777 LHS.
68hrs 14 days off, got a UK trip that was bid for, a couple of day turns, farest east and an interesting freighter trip, if this keeps up I'm going to have to come off my medication, lulled into a false sense of security perhaps, not high on hours either.
68hrs 14 days off, got a UK trip that was bid for, a couple of day turns, farest east and an interesting freighter trip, if this keeps up I'm going to have to come off my medication, lulled into a false sense of security perhaps, not high on hours either.
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I finally just gave up and did not bid. September was bottom bid month (777 Ca) and figured it could not be that bad. I ended up with a better schedule than second top bid in July and as a bonus training is scheduled during a sane time. Sounds like the "whatever" bid works the best.