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Old 13th May 2017, 15:41
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The Arabian Dream is over.
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Old 13th May 2017, 16:11
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I joined SQ on zero money. I was a bottom dweller, and at the time my friends were similar. I had an asian GF.

Now im in Big Airlines as a senior checker trainer.

Its not the money. Its the life experience . When you loose this, then you loose it all .

I never wanted to work in the gulf . In fact , in my day , it was a rather 3rd rate place to work .
Very few in EK ever made it to BA . If you want a real career , forget being an expat . It will never reward you. Ultimately, most guys hearts will always be loyal to their mother land.
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Old 13th May 2017, 22:50
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Before reading anyone else's reply, Harry the Cod was spot on with his reply.
Seems to be alot of guys here who come very young nowadays, very little experience, mostly from the emirates training academy (ryanair), who expect the world to fall at their feet before they're 30, and are gutted when it doesn't.
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Old 14th May 2017, 19:11
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Desert snake

Personally, and despite the expected but still disappointing lack of salary increase this year, I'll be surprised if Jet2 can steal even double figures from our ranks. Hundreds? Forget it.

Harry
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Old 14th May 2017, 21:31
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very little experience, mostly from the emirates training academy (ryanair), who expect the world to fall at their feet before they're 30
That's a pretty cheap shot. These are the same guys who fly visuals in to greek islands, 4 sectors of $hitty EU wx every day, circling approaches and non-precision without all the gubbins of a 777 let alone an A380. They bust their a$$es for years doing this on minimum rest to get a crack at EK, and if it's what they want, then it's what they deserve.

I've never worked for FR and never will, but you are way out of line.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:45
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If Ryanair guys are spending years busting their asses to get into emirates, why did emirates have to reduce their requirements to 1500hrs on turboprops?
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Old 15th May 2017, 06:33
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Flying multi sector in bad weather and visual approaches into Greek isles is one thing, a good learning attitude is another.

Some, but not all of the younger generation expect to be spoon fed. This shows in their training performance. Most of the Ryanair guys I have flown with are good operators and tend to integrate well in EK. On the flip side, I have also flown with some who spend more time trying to get laid than concentrate on the job at hand.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:35
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Fully agree with the need to have knowledge, skills AND attitude. Just wanted to point out to the previous poster that it's not reasonable to slap the same paintbrush on everyone.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:46
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yes, got all that.
now, what is the rumour here?
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Old 15th May 2017, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Fellowship of the drink View Post
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Some, but not all of the younger generation expect to be spoon fed. This shows in their training performance.
This is because modern education is spoon feeding. So for the new generation that is all they know. They expect to be taken through things step by step. It is what has created a more educated population with higher qualifications than ever before.
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Old 15th May 2017, 10:14
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And caused the end to common sense and the practical application of knowledge.
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Old 15th May 2017, 10:22
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@african dude, GMC1500 quite frankly is spot on, but its not because these young thrusters are bad people, they merely have unrealistic expectations based upon either the rose tint in their aviators..or the fumes from the copious amounts of hair gel they use. Some of us old gits also spent half a career flying visuals into Greek Islands in the dead of night or avoiding the dreaded "Binter" ATP or ATR whilst lobbing into the canaries at 2.30am, so we have a fair appreciation of their skill set and experience base. Its all the attitude rather than the aptitude as far as I can ascertain but its also the pathetic excuse for a training programme and training department new joiners are subjected too these days. Being spoon-fed is something most aviators Ive met here (apart from the genetically superior ones) would object too, they would however benefit from a more structured (better thought through) type course that spends a little more time on the nuts and bolts of our operation and a little less time touching the highlighted key. Individually I have immense respect for the efforts the trainers put in, but yet again it would seem more of the wrong type of personalities (egos) are infiltrating the ranks along with individuals who can barely operate a line flight, let alone be a line trainer passing on their vast (450hrs total command time..maybe!) and comprehensive knowledge of all things airline.
What a predictable shambles this place continues to descend into.

just read Dons comment above...absofeckinglutly.
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Old 15th May 2017, 10:29
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Fair comments, MonarchMan. Also regarding big egos... which should never exist in an airline flight deck but seem to be endlessly prevalent anyway.
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Old 15th May 2017, 10:54
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I don't think many pilots expect to be spoon fed in reality. What they do expect is a training department to be actually good at what it does. You know, organise classes and sims efficiently, provide them with the tools they need to get through the course so that the wheel doesn't have to be re-invented every couple of weeks, tell them how to get through the admin vortex that is the first few weeks - that kind of thing. I think it's telling that a group of pilots came up with a list of actions and procedures that need to be sorted in your first few weeks so that future courses didn't have to figure it out themselves each time. When you move to a new company and a new country at the same time, it's kinda stressful. Unfortunately the phrase "come on, you're all big boys, you can figure it out" is a phrase that I heard repeatedly in my time, which is a pretty pathetic approach to getting qualified people onto the line.
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Old 15th May 2017, 11:38
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Have you seen the EK rosters Anson? Had much luck getting any leave close to the dates when you want it? Had any pay rise lately, or in the past 7 years?
Do you really think they will treat a new joiners any differently and be helpful?
Having to run around and deal with the new joining process gives good insight to your new surrounds.
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Old 15th May 2017, 18:54
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Old 16th May 2017, 04:25
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How many pilots have to leave Emirates before our T&C improve?
So many pilots have left here and things continue to go down the drain.
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