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EK: Enough is Enough

Old 12th Apr 2017, 21:14
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bigdaviet:

The Indian layovers are a big improvement IMO.
Indian layovers a roster improvement?

If losing another nights sleep and a day off compared to just doing a nasty T/A is an improvement then I need some of your coolaid.

Toughen the fu<k up princess.

Gimme the days off.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:05
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It is never enough.......they will never stop to surprise us.......now in case of recency renewal we also have to pay the sim.......
I am truly speechless.....
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:32
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When ever are we even getting, even marginally, close to being out of recency??
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:45
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EK really know how to treat their pilots! The latest weekly is a perfect example.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:49
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Yep, it's a user pay society over here at EK.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:53
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Shades of Ryanair?
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 14:50
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Originally Posted by felixthecat
When ever are we even getting, even marginally, close to being out of recency??
It's not outwith the realms of possibility for those trying to fly the freighter as much as possible and especially if you throw in some leave into the equation as well.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 15:12
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Not going to be many trying to fly the freighter for long

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Old 13th Apr 2017, 17:22
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The best thing this place does is lie to itself.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 17:55
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Originally Posted by Visual Procedures
Indian layovers a roster improvement?

If losing another nights sleep and a day off compared to just doing a nasty T/A is an improvement then I need some of your coolaid.

Toughen the fu<k up princess.

Gimme the days off.
What a mindlessly and unnecessarily rude reply.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 02:34
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Originally Posted by BLOGGSON
What a mindlessly and unnecessarily rude reply.
hmmm I thought that too.. was trying to decide if this person is just a natural born asshole or has become one because of fatigue and general non stop abuse by EK
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 03:18
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Sadly, prolonged fatigue does tend to turn one into an asshole. When it starts to affect family and friends then you have to make the choice to accept it or leave. Many are leaving now, some with no job to go to. AAR has the final say in rostering and has made no attempt to hide the fact that he is actively involved in making sure pilots are pushed to the limit, and in many cases, beyond the limit.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 05:28
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When I first joined EK, I heard pilots talking about going sick so they could attend things such as school events with their children, birthdays etc. My opinion then was that they were very selfish and crapping on their colleagues.

Whilst I still think that it is crapping on your colleagues, I am much more sympathetic to those that do manage their roster by going sick. And I also understand the reluctance by many to call sick fatigued.

I have no idea how much lower we can go but I do feel that we are now in the end game.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 06:58
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Love the latest missive from the Bouncy Castle, it looks to be straight out of the Idiots guide on how not to manage your employees.

So, in the vague chance one of you lazy pilots manages to compromise recency, by going sick or having a holiday, our IT and rostering staff/systems are so inept that it will be your responsibility and fault. If that happens you will have to pay for the simulator.

I honestly think there is a manager somewhere in the BC who is deliberately trying to chase pilots away, otherwise how else can you explain the total idiocy of that?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 07:31
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Ruserious,

I agree. I think that plan started when they forced A330 captains back to the right seat. They want guys to leave on their own rather than announce face-losing redundancies when the big downsizing starts.

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Old 14th Apr 2017, 08:15
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obviously some kind of recency issues happened lately so thats why the new shafting will take place.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 09:38
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Love the latest missive from the Bouncy Castle, it looks to be straight out of the Idiots guide on how not to manage your employees.

So, in the vague chance one of you lazy pilots manages to compromise recency, by going sick or having a holiday, our IT and rostering staff/systems are so inept that it will be your responsibility and fault. If that happens you will have to pay for the simulator.

I honestly think there is a manager somewhere in the BC who is deliberately trying to chase pilots away, otherwise how else can you explain the total idiocy of that?
I definitely think theres an element of truth to this, but then why all the expenditure on worldwide recruitment roadshows?
The more likely reason is that someone has had a recency issue...and rather than have people held too account, its much easier to blame lazy pilots.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 09:52
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Wow, is it the millennial generation mainly on here these days.

So many of these posts are about Me, Myself & I.

I would be ashamed if my kiddies got this demented on here.

A good weekend to all and go enjoy some grape juice or otherwise.

J
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 10:45
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... Said the EK manger
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 13:22
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Originally Posted by jack schidt

A good weekend to all and go enjoy some grape juice or otherwise.

J
I'd love to sit down and enjoy a nice glass of red, but unfortunately I'm working again and I've only had 2 days off together once (and 4 single days off) in the last 26 days.
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