Electronic Carry-on ban (inc. UAE)
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not an ego statement. A nation acts on intelligence. Pilots working for gulf carriers blame pilots working for double and better work rules and regulations for the ban? Seriously? The US, Canada and the U.K. Should humble themselves before you? Sovereign nations should ignore their intel to appease state owned carriers of middle eastern nations? Pilots of western carriers are the reason for your current work conditions and compensation? And we're arrogant and egotistical? Dude...
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: usa
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not an ego statement. A nation acts on intelligence. Pilots working for gulf carriers blame pilots working for double and better work rules and regulations for the ban? Seriously? The US, Canada and the U.K. Should humble themselves before you? Sovereign nations should ignore their intel to appease state owned carriers of middle eastern nations? Pilots of western carriers are the reason for your current work conditions and compensation? And we're arrogant and egotistical? Dude...
Hmm, a familiar ring to it,
WMD Dude!
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: terra softa
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You're clearly too young, or have a short memory. Why don't you ask around and find out where EK's A340-300s came from? And why.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Behind you
Age: 76
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can we take a quick break from the usual handbags about USA v ME / pay / Airbus v boeing
At EK in uniform going to USA we can take the EPT - thats written down. What about iPads? Can we take them onboard with us - or do we hand them over like the pax?
Anyone thats done it or doing it let me know please as nothing is written on company portal.
Thanks
Now back to the usual tit for tat!
At EK in uniform going to USA we can take the EPT - thats written down. What about iPads? Can we take them onboard with us - or do we hand them over like the pax?
Anyone thats done it or doing it let me know please as nothing is written on company portal.
Thanks
Now back to the usual tit for tat!
It has been clearly specified on a recently published memo on crew portal.
M.S.
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
typical pilot...career wise, you can't see the big picture. ALPA would like nothing more than to have a global monopoly on pilot representafion and higher pay, better work rules and greater safety across the globe. But please, keep the American pilot unions out, outlaw unions, suffer subpar wages and work rules while blaming someone else for your woes. You're definitely in management.
Last edited by Aluminium shuffler; 27th Mar 2017 at 04:06.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
I have flown with some really nice yanks of late, but some of you guys are just so full of nationalistic BS and arrogance that you need calling on it. You think you invented everything , not just in aviation but in everything, and do all of it better than everyone else. You are dillusional about your national prowess. The US has many things to be proud of, and many to be ashamed of, just like all nations, but few people outside of the US want to see the American aviation model or practices adopted.
Two recurrent themes on PPRuNe:
1. Putting down America.
2. Complaining about how hard it is to get a green card.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SKG
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Since EK flies none of the routes in competition to a US airline, can you explain how US pilot jobs are in jeopardy paokara? If anything, bringing potential pax to your shores should enhance your employment shouldn't it? The majority of your flying is domestic so this must be more of a help than a hindrance surely?
UAL DL and AMR have 30 times more International routes (outside the US) than EK QT and ET combined ... check your facts
how about US Airlines fly all the International flying
and all ME Airlines feed them with smaller aircraft ?
Stay at your turf and we will stay in ours....
Plain and simple
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 420
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SKG
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Singapore through Boeing who cares.... I am 58 years old and will fight for our pilots future here in the USA
So
2500 aircraft on Boeing orders books by UAL DL AMR SWA for the next 7 years
Should we blackmail Boeing?
Boeing will sell your orders of 777s like hot cakes if you cancel
Stay at your turf that's all we want..... if you can stay in business with this oil prices today!!!
I am sorry Paokara, when you said that Mid east airlines were causing jeopardy to US pilot jobs I thought you may have had some idea of how?
It would seem you are clueless.
I have checked the facts, and no they don't. Delta's 639 aircraft only 139 are wide bodies. Last year they carried almost half the number of international passengers that EK did. You have a huge country, with a massive market. You are lucky you can gain most of your flying domestically. That's where the money is. Let us help you. Its the least we could do.
World's largest airlines by international passengers, 000
1.Ryanair 86,370
2.easyJet 56,312
3.Lufthansa 48,244
4.Emirates 47,278
5.British Airways 35,364
6.Air France 31,682
7.Turkish Airlines 31,016
8.KLM 27,740
9.United Airlines 25,708
10.Delta Air Lines 24,243
Source: IATA
Last year Delta flew 129 430 000 PAX. that's FREAKING HUGE. That is a whole lot of domestic flying. I hope we helped to add to that number.
It would seem you are clueless.
I have checked the facts, and no they don't. Delta's 639 aircraft only 139 are wide bodies. Last year they carried almost half the number of international passengers that EK did. You have a huge country, with a massive market. You are lucky you can gain most of your flying domestically. That's where the money is. Let us help you. Its the least we could do.
World's largest airlines by international passengers, 000
1.Ryanair 86,370
2.easyJet 56,312
3.Lufthansa 48,244
4.Emirates 47,278
5.British Airways 35,364
6.Air France 31,682
7.Turkish Airlines 31,016
8.KLM 27,740
9.United Airlines 25,708
10.Delta Air Lines 24,243
Source: IATA
Last year Delta flew 129 430 000 PAX. that's FREAKING HUGE. That is a whole lot of domestic flying. I hope we helped to add to that number.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Far, Far Away
Posts: 195
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You DO realize that ALL of Emirates flights are international?
Out of LAX and SFO, UAL only flies to 16 international destinations.
DL has constantly been giving up international routes to it "code-sharing" partners in recent years.
And given your nasty attitude, you must work for DL.
Don't
Ever
Lose
That
Attitude
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Anyway, back to the cabin laptop and iPad ban.
According to this article one of the factors prompting the ban was an uncovered plot to hide explosives in a fake iPad:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-laptop-ban
Seems like in the Daalo Airlines 159 laptop computer bombing out of Mogadishu last year, the only one sucked out of the plane was Abdullahi Abdisalam Borleh who brought the laptop onboard.
According to this article one of the factors prompting the ban was an uncovered plot to hide explosives in a fake iPad:
The US-UK ban on selected electronic devices from the passenger cabins of flights from some countries in north Africa and the Middle East was partly prompted by a previously undisclosed plot involving explosives hidden in a fake iPad, according to a security source.
The UK ban on tablets, laptops, games consoles and other devices larger than a mobile phone came into effect on Saturday. It applies to inbound flights from six countries – Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Turkey. Six UK airlines – British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook and Thomson – and eight foreign carriers are affected.
It follows a similar move in the US, which applies to flights from 10 airports in eight countries – Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.
The security source said both bans were not the result of a single specific incident but a combination of factors.
One of those, according to the source, was the discovery of a plot to bring down a plane with explosives hidden in a fake iPad that appeared as good as the real thing. Other details of the plot, such as the date, the country involved and the group behind it, remain secret.
Discovery of the plot confirmed the fears of the intelligence agencies that Islamist groups had found a novel way to smuggle explosives into the cabin area in carry-on luggage after failed attempts with shoe bombs and explosives hidden in underwear. An explosion in a cabin (where a terrorist can position the explosive against a door or window) can have much more impact than one in the hold (where the terrorist has no control over the position of the explosive, which could be in the middle of luggage, away from the skin of the aircraft), given passengers and crew could be sucked out of any subsequent hole.
The UK ban on tablets, laptops, games consoles and other devices larger than a mobile phone came into effect on Saturday. It applies to inbound flights from six countries – Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Turkey. Six UK airlines – British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook and Thomson – and eight foreign carriers are affected.
It follows a similar move in the US, which applies to flights from 10 airports in eight countries – Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.
The security source said both bans were not the result of a single specific incident but a combination of factors.
One of those, according to the source, was the discovery of a plot to bring down a plane with explosives hidden in a fake iPad that appeared as good as the real thing. Other details of the plot, such as the date, the country involved and the group behind it, remain secret.
Discovery of the plot confirmed the fears of the intelligence agencies that Islamist groups had found a novel way to smuggle explosives into the cabin area in carry-on luggage after failed attempts with shoe bombs and explosives hidden in underwear. An explosion in a cabin (where a terrorist can position the explosive against a door or window) can have much more impact than one in the hold (where the terrorist has no control over the position of the explosive, which could be in the middle of luggage, away from the skin of the aircraft), given passengers and crew could be sucked out of any subsequent hole.
Seems like in the Daalo Airlines 159 laptop computer bombing out of Mogadishu last year, the only one sucked out of the plane was Abdullahi Abdisalam Borleh who brought the laptop onboard.
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
But how does putting said explosive iPad in the hold help? It'll still cause structural damage. But by putting all these genuine PEDs in the hold, the authorities are eroding flight safety, and in so, doing the terrorists job for them. This is why there is no logic to the ban, and why it is so evidently an anti-competition move.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: London
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: en route
Posts: 222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: terra softa
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: usa
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Singapore through Boeing who cares.... I am 58 years old and will fight for our pilots future here in the USA
So
2500 aircraft on Boeing orders books by UAL DL AMR SWA for the next 7 years
Should we blackmail Boeing?
Boeing will sell your orders of 777s like hot cakes if you cancel
Stay at your turf that's all we want..... if you can stay in business with this oil prices today!!!
So
2500 aircraft on Boeing orders books by UAL DL AMR SWA for the next 7 years
Should we blackmail Boeing?
Boeing will sell your orders of 777s like hot cakes if you cancel
Stay at your turf that's all we want..... if you can stay in business with this oil prices today!!!
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: DXB
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
At EK in uniform going to USA we can take the EPT - thats written down. What about iPads? Can we take them onboard with us - or do we hand them over like the pax?
Anyone thats done it or doing it let me know please as nothing is written on company portal.
Anyone thats done it or doing it let me know please as nothing is written on company portal.
The X-ray habibis at HQ have no clue where you're going and they don't ask while the yanks, after we've landed, din't care anymore.
tz
