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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 12:52
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Slightly late on joining the thread but just to throw a little light on the screening process in Dubai for ALL US bound aircraft:

All hold baggage, irrespective of airline, has to go through the highest level of screening. This is what is referred to as Level 5 and includes each piece having projected images from multiple angles.

Prior to the airport having this category of screening machine, bags were pushed through the baggage system and screened normally. They were loaded on to trolleys and then transferred to a mobile screening machine where they were screened once again. A very laborious and time consuming process. Also, the TSA visited quite a few times to audit how this process was carried out. Evidently screening for both EK and the US carriers (DL/UA when they operated from DXB) was up to the desired standard.

The screening is also carried out by the Police and no other agency, as is the case in many other airports.

The automated baggage system in DXB is world class in terms of tracking, screen images etc. so this should be the least of the worry.

At the gates, EK security check both passengers and baggage as they arrive too.

This whole thing smacks of a ruse to screw over the ME3 and just to make life difficult and inconvenience the passengers. Very childish indeed.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 18:02
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And now the latest is that devices will be taken from pax at the gate...so presumably, they will be placed all together in one area of the hold. This is a recipe for disaster!
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 18:39
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An idea might be if the company provided enough firesocks to place each device in, this would reduce the risk of thermal runaway spreading. Buying time with the fire suppression system to allow a safe diversion (fingers crossed).

Firesocks could be re-used just for US flights until further notice.

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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 18:48
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Thats a more reassuring idea, however, having watched the above video on firesocks, I'm curious to know how effective they would be when stacked in large quantities on top of one another if a device ignited?
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 19:25
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If they do decide to take these items from pax at the gate then i would assume this would be handled in the same way as they do for the LAG's going to Australia etc. They would be placed inside cardboard boxes and sealed with those dodgy little plastic tags after having a manual bag tag slapped on it. Once aircraft side they would be loaded in to the respective First Class units (as AUS/NZ flights were connectors previously).

This in itself would tell you there would be a problem in terms of space for them to be loaded due to expected quantities. We all know that EK do not allow DG to be loaded in the bulk hold so i would assume these would also be considered as such (again why the LAG's are loaded into the First class units).

The next point is that they will probably get thrown down the chute along with the rest of the gate collected hand baggage. So expect multiple claims for damage through this practice.

Last but not least, tracking of these pieces would not be great to start with. As of recent times, all gate bags were meant to be scanned and recorded as loaded against whatever ULD they were physically loaded in to, much the same as your standard checked in bag over in the build up areas. The main issue here is that at the aircraft side the connectivity for the PDA devices is practically non-existent. This means that there is no real record of every piece being loaded. There is no manual recording process as the EK gate team keep the peel offs from when they tag a piece but do not reconcile it against a passenger name/sequence number etc.

Should one of these pieces go missing then i think you would have to write it all off but because of there being virtually no record of it being 'received' at the aircraft side then the airline would probably wash their hands and say they never even accepted it in the first place.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 20:00
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Originally Posted by ClassCbird View Post
Thats a more reassuring idea, however, having watched the above video on firesocks, I'm curious to know how effective they would be when stacked in large quantities on top of one another if a device ignited?
Have a look at a company called Firetrace. The have an interesting product.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 11:34
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"Hello Mr Boeing? About those 777Xs...we've decided to go with 350s instead. Sorry about that."
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 14:21
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Instead of knocking American pilot unions, perhaps you should welcome them. More than half of all aircraft in the world are N registered. A FO for a US major airline makes more money than an Emirates 777 Captain. The FAA is tightening rest rules while the rest of the world loosens theirs. You must be in management....🙄
Are you saying that all other nationalities should be glad to have their job jeopardised and flights endangered so that rich US pilots with cushy jobs can take their place? That's how it comes across...
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 16:53
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In addition, the thought process behind the decision and the intelligence on which the ban has been based remains unclear.
That's because there is no thought process and intelligence coming out of the US these days
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Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
"Hello Mr Boeing? About those 777Xs...we've decided to go with 350s instead. Sorry about that."




Great savings for the tax payers
Backlog will be reduced from 6 years to 4 years for Boeing


Still no laptops on the Bus
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 23:13
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Originally Posted by paokara View Post
Great savings for the tax payers
Backlog will be reduced from 6 years to 4 years for Boeing


Still no laptops on the Bus
Yes, because all companies like losing $20 billion in sales.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 04:44
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Paokara; you are smoking something good!

You are telling me Boeing will be happy to see a 150 aircraft order cancelled?
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EK is the world's biggest 777 operator. It would a PR disaster if they decided not to buy any more, apart from the financial cost.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Aluminium shuffler View Post
Are you saying that all other nationalities should be glad to have their job jeopardised and flights endangered so that rich US pilots with cushy jobs can take their place? That's how it comes across...
typical pilot...career wise, you can't see the big picture. ALPA would like nothing more than to have a global monopoly on pilot representafion and higher pay, better work rules and greater safety across the globe. But please, keep the American pilot unions out, outlaw unions, suffer subpar wages and work rules while blaming someone else for your woes. You're definitely in management.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 08:35
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EK is the world's biggest 777 operator.
And one of the largest employers of American pilots in 07/08

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You're right. That 'electronic Muslim ban' makes no sense | ZDNet
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 19:14
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Originally Posted by 777-200LR View Post
Paokara; you are smoking something good!

You are telling me Boeing will be happy to see a 150 aircraft order cancelled?



150?

United needs 100 wide body aircraft by 2022
Delta needs another 75 and American another 100

How about Asian and European airlines?

Not an issue for Boeing
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 19:16
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And one of the largest employers of American pilots in 07/08



Never had more than 300 even at 2007/08

In jeopardy

United 12,950
Delta 14500
American 15750


EK less than 230 American pilots today
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 19:26
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in 2007 that was 35% of the pilot numbers. One of yours even bragged on WSJ, another one was a DFO. Careful with your ego
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 19:56
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Since EK flies none of the routes in competition to a US airline, can you explain how US pilot jobs are in jeopardy paokara? If anything, bringing potential pax to your shores should enhance your employment shouldn't it? The majority of your flying is domestic so this must be more of a help than a hindrance surely?
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