Electronic Carry-on ban (inc. UAE)
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Slightly late on joining the thread but just to throw a little light on the screening process in Dubai for ALL US bound aircraft:
All hold baggage, irrespective of airline, has to go through the highest level of screening. This is what is referred to as Level 5 and includes each piece having projected images from multiple angles.
Prior to the airport having this category of screening machine, bags were pushed through the baggage system and screened normally. They were loaded on to trolleys and then transferred to a mobile screening machine where they were screened once again. A very laborious and time consuming process. Also, the TSA visited quite a few times to audit how this process was carried out. Evidently screening for both EK and the US carriers (DL/UA when they operated from DXB) was up to the desired standard.
The screening is also carried out by the Police and no other agency, as is the case in many other airports.
The automated baggage system in DXB is world class in terms of tracking, screen images etc. so this should be the least of the worry.
At the gates, EK security check both passengers and baggage as they arrive too.
This whole thing smacks of a ruse to screw over the ME3 and just to make life difficult and inconvenience the passengers. Very childish indeed.
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All hold baggage, irrespective of airline, has to go through the highest level of screening. This is what is referred to as Level 5 and includes each piece having projected images from multiple angles.
Prior to the airport having this category of screening machine, bags were pushed through the baggage system and screened normally. They were loaded on to trolleys and then transferred to a mobile screening machine where they were screened once again. A very laborious and time consuming process. Also, the TSA visited quite a few times to audit how this process was carried out. Evidently screening for both EK and the US carriers (DL/UA when they operated from DXB) was up to the desired standard.
The screening is also carried out by the Police and no other agency, as is the case in many other airports.
The automated baggage system in DXB is world class in terms of tracking, screen images etc. so this should be the least of the worry.
At the gates, EK security check both passengers and baggage as they arrive too.
This whole thing smacks of a ruse to screw over the ME3 and just to make life difficult and inconvenience the passengers. Very childish indeed.
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An idea might be if the company provided enough firesocks™ to place each device in, this would reduce the risk of thermal runaway spreading. Buying time with the fire suppression system to allow a safe diversion 
(fingers crossed).
Firesocks could be re-used just for US flights until further notice.
(fingers crossed).Firesocks could be re-used just for US flights until further notice.
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Thats a more reassuring idea, however, having watched the above video on firesocks, I'm curious to know how effective they would be when stacked in large quantities on top of one another if a device ignited?
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If they do decide to take these items from pax at the gate then i would assume this would be handled in the same way as they do for the LAG's going to Australia etc. They would be placed inside cardboard boxes and sealed with those dodgy little plastic tags after having a manual bag tag slapped on it. Once aircraft side they would be loaded in to the respective First Class units (as AUS/NZ flights were connectors previously).
This in itself would tell you there would be a problem in terms of space for them to be loaded due to expected quantities. We all know that EK do not allow DG to be loaded in the bulk hold so i would assume these would also be considered as such (again why the LAG's are loaded into the First class units).
The next point is that they will probably get thrown down the chute along with the rest of the gate collected hand baggage. So expect multiple claims for damage through this practice.
Last but not least, tracking of these pieces would not be great to start with. As of recent times, all gate bags were meant to be scanned and recorded as loaded against whatever ULD they were physically loaded in to, much the same as your standard checked in bag over in the build up areas. The main issue here is that at the aircraft side the connectivity for the PDA devices is practically non-existent. This means that there is no real record of every piece being loaded. There is no manual recording process as the EK gate team keep the peel offs from when they tag a piece but do not reconcile it against a passenger name/sequence number etc.
Should one of these pieces go missing then i think you would have to write it all off but because of there being virtually no record of it being 'received' at the aircraft side then the airline would probably wash their hands and say they never even accepted it in the first place.
This in itself would tell you there would be a problem in terms of space for them to be loaded due to expected quantities. We all know that EK do not allow DG to be loaded in the bulk hold so i would assume these would also be considered as such (again why the LAG's are loaded into the First class units).
The next point is that they will probably get thrown down the chute along with the rest of the gate collected hand baggage. So expect multiple claims for damage through this practice.
Last but not least, tracking of these pieces would not be great to start with. As of recent times, all gate bags were meant to be scanned and recorded as loaded against whatever ULD they were physically loaded in to, much the same as your standard checked in bag over in the build up areas. The main issue here is that at the aircraft side the connectivity for the PDA devices is practically non-existent. This means that there is no real record of every piece being loaded. There is no manual recording process as the EK gate team keep the peel offs from when they tag a piece but do not reconcile it against a passenger name/sequence number etc.
Should one of these pieces go missing then i think you would have to write it all off but because of there being virtually no record of it being 'received' at the aircraft side then the airline would probably wash their hands and say they never even accepted it in the first place.
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Have a look at a company called Firetrace. The have an interesting product.
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Instead of knocking American pilot unions, perhaps you should welcome them. More than half of all aircraft in the world are N registered. A FO for a US major airline makes more money than an Emirates 777 Captain. The FAA is tightening rest rules while the rest of the world loosens theirs. You must be in management....🙄
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In addition, the thought process behind the decision and the intelligence on which the ban has been based remains unclear.
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typical pilot...career wise, you can't see the big picture. ALPA would like nothing more than to have a global monopoly on pilot representafion and higher pay, better work rules and greater safety across the globe. But please, keep the American pilot unions out, outlaw unions, suffer subpar wages and work rules while blaming someone else for your woes. You're definitely in management.
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150?
United needs 100 wide body aircraft by 2022
Delta needs another 75 and American another 100
How about Asian and European airlines?
Not an issue for Boeing
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Since EK flies none of the routes in competition to a US airline, can you explain how US pilot jobs are in jeopardy paokara? If anything, bringing potential pax to your shores should enhance your employment shouldn't it? The majority of your flying is domestic so this must be more of a help than a hindrance surely?
