Has EK been the worst decision ever?
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EK pilots arent unhappy with EK. They are unjaooy because their elitist asses are finally not special anymore and they have no clue why? They blame SO but they have to face the fact, being a pilot doesn't bring you chicks, money, power or chicks anymore. You're an employee and SO or any company doesn't give a crap who you are.
Face the fact guys. Flying changed. The Times of 200k and 2 flights a month have been long gone. Stop living in a dream and stop crying that you became a bad father/husband due to EK or flying. EK maybe changed but the world has changed. Flying has changed. Your love and passion was not for flying, it was for the aforementioned 4 things. They have gone, you have now a profession you actually need to work in. Poor you....
Face the fact guys. Flying changed. The Times of 200k and 2 flights a month have been long gone. Stop living in a dream and stop crying that you became a bad father/husband due to EK or flying. EK maybe changed but the world has changed. Flying has changed. Your love and passion was not for flying, it was for the aforementioned 4 things. They have gone, you have now a profession you actually need to work in. Poor you....
Sorry to inform you, but it's still quite possible to make far more than 200k a year as a pilot, and strangely, that still asserts quite a bit or power to "bring chicks"...lol
Is this a wind-up? It's true EK is a mess these days but not sure what that has to do with things elsewhere.
Take your money and experience and sell it at a place that gives what it's worth. They're out there.
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Its taken the B*stards 6 years but today they broke me.
I couldn't in good conscience recommend this place to a friend let alone an enemy.
Like many others have said the routes and your work mates are great.
What's not so great is the frankly medieval attitude displayed by those in the bouncy castle. I may hasten to add more often than not perpetuated by people from first world countries that should and would know better.
Complete and utter disregard for the human/emotional toll is ops normal.
So today was the day that I sent out the resume in the hope that anything is better than this. It's been a roller coaster 6 years but no one can sustain this for a career.
I couldn't in good conscience recommend this place to a friend let alone an enemy.
Like many others have said the routes and your work mates are great.
What's not so great is the frankly medieval attitude displayed by those in the bouncy castle. I may hasten to add more often than not perpetuated by people from first world countries that should and would know better.
Complete and utter disregard for the human/emotional toll is ops normal.
So today was the day that I sent out the resume in the hope that anything is better than this. It's been a roller coaster 6 years but no one can sustain this for a career.
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WTF?
Why are YOU asking? SHE should be doing the asking and then you top it off with a statement like "Who knows if she'll love being a pilot"? Aren't we a little late to be be figuring that out now?
Based on your post, I'd say send her back to school to study for a profession without all the bull****e that this one encompasses, do it now while she is young and don't let the bitter resentment of time set in!
God forbid that the child aviators of today should ever have to fly anything with a propellor, or load and unload freight and the likes of that! Hell no, lets just push them into a wide body right out of flight school then fill it with 600 people who might be expecting someone with just a touch more worldly experience and maybe a little "seat of the pants" airmanship.
And I have to babysit that?
Buffalo Airways in Yellowknife is always looking for new recruits, Joe has a soft spot for the girls and she will learn to fly properly.
Try these guys, there is a show about them called Ice pilots NWT. An easy gig in the arctic. Just send them a CV, they'll snap her up.
Buffalo Airways - Operations,
Maintenance, Charters, Fire Suppression
PO BOX 2015
108 Berry Street
Yellowknife, NT X1A 2R3
T 1 867-873-6112
F 1 867-873-8393
E [email protected]
Ask for Joe or Mikey.
PS..Joe likes it when you tell about yourself and how much you know.
WTF?
Why are YOU asking? SHE should be doing the asking and then you top it off with a statement like "Who knows if she'll love being a pilot"? Aren't we a little late to be be figuring that out now?
Based on your post, I'd say send her back to school to study for a profession without all the bull****e that this one encompasses, do it now while she is young and don't let the bitter resentment of time set in!
God forbid that the child aviators of today should ever have to fly anything with a propellor, or load and unload freight and the likes of that! Hell no, lets just push them into a wide body right out of flight school then fill it with 600 people who might be expecting someone with just a touch more worldly experience and maybe a little "seat of the pants" airmanship.
And I have to babysit that?
Buffalo Airways in Yellowknife is always looking for new recruits, Joe has a soft spot for the girls and she will learn to fly properly.
Try these guys, there is a show about them called Ice pilots NWT. An easy gig in the arctic. Just send them a CV, they'll snap her up.
Buffalo Airways - Operations,
Maintenance, Charters, Fire Suppression
PO BOX 2015
108 Berry Street
Yellowknife, NT X1A 2R3
T 1 867-873-6112
F 1 867-873-8393
E [email protected]
Ask for Joe or Mikey.
PS..Joe likes it when you tell about yourself and how much you know.
"...I'd say send her back to school to study for a profession without all the bull****e that this one encompasses..."
The Outlaw,
Is there a list of those available ? :-)))
The Outlaw,
Is there a list of those available ? :-)))
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Despite being aware of all the negatives waiting down the line ... It's still not easy to convince yourself not to go for it. We just suck it up and keep going. I still couldnt imagine myself doing anything else for a living though, cos despite the list of negatives, no other job interests me whatsoever, and even those jobs have their negatives.
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In 2006 I resigned from Delta Airlines as a B737 FO and came here.
Since then I've made exceptional friends, served with great crews, saw more of the world than I would have if I had stayed at Delta, earned my command on the B777, saved lots of money and my last landing into Dubai will be on my 55th birthday.
I'm leaving flying (and working), happily, and starting the next phase of life. I'll look back on my experiences here with very fond memories.
I don't regret it for a second and coming here was the best decision ever!
Since then I've made exceptional friends, served with great crews, saw more of the world than I would have if I had stayed at Delta, earned my command on the B777, saved lots of money and my last landing into Dubai will be on my 55th birthday.
I'm leaving flying (and working), happily, and starting the next phase of life. I'll look back on my experiences here with very fond memories.
I don't regret it for a second and coming here was the best decision ever!
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Push Button,
I too paid for every flight hour I took, studied the books myself and kept my head down and pressed forward one small step at a time, slept in cars and a lot of couches along the way too. I would do it all again in a heartbeat if I could. Along the way I learned what perseverance, focus and determination meant. Couple that with self respect and that fact that no one gave me a career on a silver platter makes me feel pretty damn good about my accomplishments. I also know that I can do whatever it takes to see a task through to the end. Why is that a bad trait to pass along to your kids? Personally I don't think you do kids any favours by giving them everything.
The first 8 years of my earnings were just about enough to live rent free and pay for food and the odd drink on a date.
I've flown a lot of dinosaurs as well starting from a C47 and slowly working my way up to something with a working heater. We were expected to help mechanics if we broke down on a job and I still have the frostbite and scars to prove it. It was an adventure and more importantly it was MY adventure, not one daddy handed me.
That was the way it was in my day. Today I have to endure complaints from certain individuals because they had to start right seat on a 777 and not a 380. If you mention electromechanical instruments, radial engines, carb heat, dilution, freight loading, floats etc, they wonder if your speaking greek.
However, the experience you get from flying in summer without weather radar, or winter without working de-icer boots or remote locations without legal reserves gives you a very good foundation for survival and airmanship that just cant be written into the books for the "slaves to the magenta line" generation to understand, that has to be experienced.
I too paid for every flight hour I took, studied the books myself and kept my head down and pressed forward one small step at a time, slept in cars and a lot of couches along the way too. I would do it all again in a heartbeat if I could. Along the way I learned what perseverance, focus and determination meant. Couple that with self respect and that fact that no one gave me a career on a silver platter makes me feel pretty damn good about my accomplishments. I also know that I can do whatever it takes to see a task through to the end. Why is that a bad trait to pass along to your kids? Personally I don't think you do kids any favours by giving them everything.
The first 8 years of my earnings were just about enough to live rent free and pay for food and the odd drink on a date.
I've flown a lot of dinosaurs as well starting from a C47 and slowly working my way up to something with a working heater. We were expected to help mechanics if we broke down on a job and I still have the frostbite and scars to prove it. It was an adventure and more importantly it was MY adventure, not one daddy handed me.
That was the way it was in my day. Today I have to endure complaints from certain individuals because they had to start right seat on a 777 and not a 380. If you mention electromechanical instruments, radial engines, carb heat, dilution, freight loading, floats etc, they wonder if your speaking greek.
However, the experience you get from flying in summer without weather radar, or winter without working de-icer boots or remote locations without legal reserves gives you a very good foundation for survival and airmanship that just cant be written into the books for the "slaves to the magenta line" generation to understand, that has to be experienced.
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One of the nicer posts on here..
UPS a great gig.
30 yrs, 26 Capt... yet still come across as humble and genuinely interested in looking for info for your daughter.
As the brits would say....take a bow son.
UPS a great gig.
30 yrs, 26 Capt... yet still come across as humble and genuinely interested in looking for info for your daughter.
As the brits would say....take a bow son.
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No right or wrong ... whatever works.
Outlaw, it is hard not to have respect for you, or those who went about it the way you did. However the sad reality is that today it doesn't quite work like that anymore down this end. Most airlines have their own schools from which they pick their cadets, and other airlines pre select their cadets and send them to these schools. Some airlines even have select schools and they will only pick people who have been to these schools (BA, KLM, easyJet to name a few).
Many airlines, especially in Europe, are only even taking people who trained the integrated way. If you went modular and your cv isn't straightforward (training in different countries, hours here and there in all different ops etc) it goes straight to the bin. I've been told this directly by my own airline's recruitment pilots. It's how it is today ...
In reality, whilst of course it would be great to go get a ppl, instruct, do anything and everything to build my hours, fly all sorts of machines and gain a vast wealth of knowledge and experiences that no book can ever replace ... but if you want to be a pilot in the safest, most efficient way, that is no longer the way unfortunately.
Outlaw, it is hard not to have respect for you, or those who went about it the way you did. However the sad reality is that today it doesn't quite work like that anymore down this end. Most airlines have their own schools from which they pick their cadets, and other airlines pre select their cadets and send them to these schools. Some airlines even have select schools and they will only pick people who have been to these schools (BA, KLM, easyJet to name a few).
Many airlines, especially in Europe, are only even taking people who trained the integrated way. If you went modular and your cv isn't straightforward (training in different countries, hours here and there in all different ops etc) it goes straight to the bin. I've been told this directly by my own airline's recruitment pilots. It's how it is today ...
In reality, whilst of course it would be great to go get a ppl, instruct, do anything and everything to build my hours, fly all sorts of machines and gain a vast wealth of knowledge and experiences that no book can ever replace ... but if you want to be a pilot in the safest, most efficient way, that is no longer the way unfortunately.
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UPS second year FO minimum pay guarantee is $170,000usd/year. Top of scale CA minimum guarantee is 300,000/year. It's pretty easy to go well above those figures if you work extra trips. Pension is basically $4,000 times years of service. Example 25 years of service would equal a $100,000year pension. Good job if you can get it. You need a US passport or green card.
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Having been in EK for a LAaarge number of years I see the following. If you are under 30 or over 45 with seniority in Command in the ME then EK was a (surprise) reasonably good move.
For the impatient (treated unfairly) or "Grass is Greener" types, always remember that the green grass is due to the large amount of "poop" put on the grass in that field.
Be careful what you wish for, both getting in and getting out.
Jack..
For the impatient (treated unfairly) or "Grass is Greener" types, always remember that the green grass is due to the large amount of "poop" put on the grass in that field.
Be careful what you wish for, both getting in and getting out.
Jack..
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Bloggson:
If you listen to President Donald Trumps speech on immigration to Congress last night.
He stated that the plan is to accept the best and brightest, based on professional qualifications.
Heck they accepted me, and I'm far from it.
I would also expect there to be another category of eligible's.
That of Eastern European super models.
Laker.
What you said is correct, but it is in fact far more lucrative.
They also give you a 12% B-fund pension contribution up to the Federal limit of $42,000 a year.
Captains hit the limit about mid November.
There is no 401K match, but having contributed into it for 30+ years that fund is considerable.
I work four on, ten off all year long. I don't need a vacation, as life is one long one.
So I sell my five weeks back to them.
They buy my unused sick bank back from me every year.
There is a discount stock purchase plan.
The dividend rate is exceptional.
The regular A-fund pension will go to $4200 in 2021.
So after 30 years maximum, the payout will be $126,600/year.
And I'm gone.
The top pay will go to $337/hr by 2021.
December is crazy around here. I sign up for 150% extra trips all month long.
Not that I'd know what to do with it all.
I never quite figured that part of life out.
I'm happiest with an old Ford pick up truck, and a dog.
There's more to life than money.
As a company to work for, they have been most excellent.
I'm not bragging on myself.
For I did nothing, other than ride the crest of a wave.
I just looked at your pay rate on airlinepilotpay.
I don't think I've ever seen a group of pilots more deserving of a 100% pay raise.
If you listen to President Donald Trumps speech on immigration to Congress last night.
He stated that the plan is to accept the best and brightest, based on professional qualifications.
Heck they accepted me, and I'm far from it.
I would also expect there to be another category of eligible's.
That of Eastern European super models.
Laker.
What you said is correct, but it is in fact far more lucrative.
They also give you a 12% B-fund pension contribution up to the Federal limit of $42,000 a year.
Captains hit the limit about mid November.
There is no 401K match, but having contributed into it for 30+ years that fund is considerable.
I work four on, ten off all year long. I don't need a vacation, as life is one long one.
So I sell my five weeks back to them.
They buy my unused sick bank back from me every year.
There is a discount stock purchase plan.
The dividend rate is exceptional.
The regular A-fund pension will go to $4200 in 2021.
So after 30 years maximum, the payout will be $126,600/year.
And I'm gone.
The top pay will go to $337/hr by 2021.
December is crazy around here. I sign up for 150% extra trips all month long.
Not that I'd know what to do with it all.
I never quite figured that part of life out.
I'm happiest with an old Ford pick up truck, and a dog.
There's more to life than money.
As a company to work for, they have been most excellent.
I'm not bragging on myself.
For I did nothing, other than ride the crest of a wave.
I just looked at your pay rate on airlinepilotpay.
I don't think I've ever seen a group of pilots more deserving of a 100% pay raise.