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Old 22nd Dec 2016, 16:29
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Old 22nd Dec 2016, 16:31
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Looks like Fat Pat will be on the way back to SA.....
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Old 22nd Dec 2016, 16:50
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Sad that EK professional pilots taking such pleasure in people losing their jobs.
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Old 22nd Dec 2016, 17:07
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In order to lose your job you have to do your job first.
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Old 22nd Dec 2016, 20:14
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fatbus: I totally agree
remember the times under SMF and LL, where employees were treated with respect, attitude, at those times it was a pleasure to work for the company because you were basically part of it. Sadly that has all changed with the arrival of muppets like TCAS, AAR and the rest of the intimidating managers.

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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 04:58
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Nakita nailed it!

Not sad at all to see SOME of these managers lose their jobs, they were part of the attitude and degenerative force that has brought this company where it is today.

The rot has to go in the company if there is any hope for the future.

Its business.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 06:57
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Fatty. I am very sad to see job losses for competent and hard working people. The rot started on the 9th floor and filtered down. Arrogant and incompetent sh1ts like (pick the name) using only their bonus as a guide have brought the company to this point. We need a mass cull of Brits and Indians and the star on the treetop of AAR. Many really good people, well versed in their jobs have left; their loss does not bode well for the future.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 10:21
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We need a mass cull of Brits and Indians
Yeah you're right: more racism, that's what's needed.....
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 11:14
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Playing victims? But never crossed mind while abusing both experienced pilots and young flight attendants for years.
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777boy now adding racist to bitter and twisted. Let it go!
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 12:01
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Someone puts Brits and Indians (and we are talking about mafia here, not about nationalities) on the same side in one sentence, gives them the same characteristics and wishes them the same, and you call it racism? Back to school,vfnext, you haven't learned what actual racism is.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 13:13
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Yeah you're right: more racism, that's what's needed.....
How is that racism?
British management are widely responsible for destroying Cathay and some English managers have done pretty good job of destroying the working environment here too.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 14:40
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Exactly. I am referring to the two Mafias. Emirates. English managed Indian run and the employees suffer. I am no racist. I also mentioned AAR. Emirati. Nothing against anyone because of passport or religion. Brits at EK ultra destructive. Look at Cathay, GF and now EK.
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Nikita you know nothing of me or what I know about racism. I'm more aware than most of what it is and the effects it can have. Go back to the high n mighty insulated box you crawled out of.
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Actually I think Nikita knows a little bit about racism as well.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 15:43
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What nationalities built up EK, Cathay,GF?.I think you will find many different ones.
Foreign nationals were replaced in Cathay and GF. Both are having problems.
Its very difficult for small countries companies to have quality management without outside help.
In the UAE wasta rules. The locals want the management positions but most do not have experience.
You need people coming from quality successful airlines.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 16:07
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Originally Posted by 777boyindubai
Exactly. I am referring to the two Mafias. Emirates. English managed Indian run and the employees suffer. I am no racist. I also mentioned AAR. Emirati. Nothing against anyone because of passport or religion. Brits at EK ultra destructive. Look at Cathay, GF and now EK.
So what nationality would create the utopian existence you seek? Which nationality on this earth is perfection personified? German? Lufthansa not so hot at the moment, Pilots striking. Italian perhaps? Yeah cos Alitalia is the perfect model of how to run an airline. French? Yep all is rosy in Air France isn't it. Australian? QANTAS are actually doing okay, oh wait they're Irish.
What needs to occur here is a change of PERSONALITY not nationality. This may come as a huge surprise to you but each nation on this planet is made up of the good the bad and the ugly and the current incumbent has taken this place in the wrong direction for sure. His nationality though has nothing to do with it - his predecessor was by all accounts exactly the person that is required right now. Was he not the SAME nationality?
We can all gripe but how about we leave the tiny minded casual racism out of it eh? And actually use some of the intelligence we're supposed to have to formulate well rounded, intelligent arguments? Right now the EK pilot community is coming across as a bunch of brain dead numpties.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 16:08
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Best example of local wasta is AAR and CPA , no clue about anything!
Oh I forgot ADCPA Mr. Landing and all the other local muppets.
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Sunbird, Cloud Bunny

Do you think most FC/CC expats would have joined if this was run solely by UAE management and Indian supervisors. Never. They might as well join other ME or Sub Continent airlines.

Young women from western hemisphere were lured showing western management and turned them over to Indians. That is the most disgraceful act any westerner would do to their own, unless Brits think Eastern Europeans are beneath them.

Also when you say successful airlines you are not taking about Caledonian, Sri Lankan, Gulf Air and BA. Are you?

When there was enough money to throw around they wasted, now don't know how to run this company.
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Old 23rd Dec 2016, 17:30
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The nationality of the people running this place never entered my head, would never even pass by as a thought in my tiny pea sized brain. It's irrelevant.
I was selected by a Brit, a Canadian, a Brazilian, a Kiwi and a UAE National. Who cares?
Do I think the Brits think Eastern Europeans are beneath them - without a shadow of a doubt a xenophobic, irrational proportion of them surely do, in the same way as many other people would view other nationalities. These people have even tinier pea sized brains than me. The fact that some of them have risen to prominence is a problem.
Would I have joined EK if it was solely run by locals? Of course. If the contract is right, the lifestyle is right, the company makes money and is economically stable I don't give a rats arse where the person/people at the top are born. You can't condem an entire race of people based on the actions of a few. There's enough of that **** going on in the world right now on a much larger and more frightening scale.
I'm not getting into a slanging match over this, suffice to say that I genuinely don't care where the next CEO of this place is born, the personality on the other hand is critical to how this place shapes up.
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