EK/QR/EY ? WY?
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Depending if you get on to the 787 or 777 you can expect 45k-50k Riyals per month. (including all allowances and flight pay)
If you take a cheap accommodation (8-12k) and don't buy all fancy stuff, you should easily be able to save 20k a month.
Maybe Dubai is very expensive, but Doha is quite reasonable if you live a normal life.
If you take a cheap accommodation (8-12k) and don't buy all fancy stuff, you should easily be able to save 20k a month.
Maybe Dubai is very expensive, but Doha is quite reasonable if you live a normal life.
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I finally joined my 777 FO husband in Doha once and for all and don't plan to work anymore. We can't complain about the salary. He's just like me and has his feet on the ground, not living a fancy life just because the salary is good. We live in a nice area, do and buy whatever makes us happy and still save over 20k. It's totally manageable to save that amount with a stay-at-home wife, as long as she's not buying LVs and Louboutins all the time (a common problem, I can see). To be honest, now that I'm finally here I'm guessing we'll be saving even more, since we'll eat more at home and I'm monitoring the expenses on a spreadsheet, on which we defined a considerable limit for each item. You just have to be wise.
Lastly, he's very happy with the job.
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On the unmentionable, could someone please tell me if they still offer a villa for married FOs with kids? Their website just says company housing, if available, or a housing allowance. I have two kids and would definately need the villa. How much can I expect to hit my bank account every month as an FO on the 787 and how many years to upgrade? Anyone currently working at the unmentionable please reply or hit my inbox. Thanks.
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major thread drift. I would like to see this taken to another thread or get back to the original of how it's a financial waste of time for an FO with a family to come to UAE!
Hamster - sent you a pm. Cheers
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I would keep away from one of them...it is the less paid job amongst the 3bigs...unless you join on Boeing fleet where at least you have a good lifestyle.Yet Money won't be good but al least You Will have a life.Airbus ops....90hrs a month and 7-8 days off...and it is going to stay that way....money is running out but show must go on.They will keep losing people but it is what they want and new hires have lowers T&C in terms of end of service.No pension not enough schooling all as well as housing all.Unless you join as a single or you come from somewhere where the exchange rate is still very good or personal safety is an issue it is not a good deal.
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Hamster...As I am the one ultimately responsible for the whole flight, then yes, the flight deck is mine. (not ego driven, it's simply fact, I have no ego left after 30 years in this crazy business...) I welcome and encourage all crew members to challenge any thing at any time, Where I work it is expected and encouraged for ALL who are present in the flight deck to follow what's going on, and to speak up, regardless of rank if they see or are uncomfortable with anything. Xhamster, I don't know where you work, but I would be very careful if I were you to not let ANY rank impede safety. (Does Asiana in SFO ring a bell?) As for where to work, if you want/have to, in the ME? One has changed the numbers after an accident to restrict upgrades, and routinely flies their crew to 90 hours a month. Another hasn't had a pay raise for years, and the other place is a tough place to live. Hope that helps avoid the thread drift?
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^^ what Dixi said. Silently the end of service payment has been reduced for new joiners who leave within 5 years (or something similar). Add this to a basic salary that hasn't changed in years, and is below that of EK and QR. The end of service payment is not a pension (i.e. does not get invested). You also get no Audi pickup to and from work, company accomodation isn't great hence most take the allowance, but this allowance doesn't go far because it also hasn't changed in years despite a constant increase in housing (and other life costs) in UAE. AUH is far behind DXB in terms of being a good lifestyle city for an expat, yet the rental prices ate higher and the range of choice less.
You don't get profit share, just a very small performance/corporate bonus (max 1 month), however this year it was not paid due to bad financials (but they made more profit than ever before).
A380 B787 B777 are the best fleets in terms of roster, lifestyle and income. But why anyone wants to give up their job at home to come here even on those fleets is beyond me.
You don't get profit share, just a very small performance/corporate bonus (max 1 month), however this year it was not paid due to bad financials (but they made more profit than ever before).
A380 B787 B777 are the best fleets in terms of roster, lifestyle and income. But why anyone wants to give up their job at home to come here even on those fleets is beyond me.
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Leftcoaster - I tend to use the words 'our fligthdeck' rather than 'my flightdeck' etc. that was the point of that sentence. We all know who wears the 4 bars - but the tone and choice of words coming from the commander does have a big impact in the way the message is received by other crew members.
Agree with the above. The package needs updating. It's always lagged behind the other 2, but is now lagging even more. Abu Dhabi will never catch up to Dubai in terms of being the better city to work and play.
Agree with the above. The package needs updating. It's always lagged behind the other 2, but is now lagging even more. Abu Dhabi will never catch up to Dubai in terms of being the better city to work and play.
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A380 B787 B777 are the best fleets in terms of roster, lifestyle and income. But why anyone wants to give up their job at home to come here even on those fleets is beyond me.
Could this be a start?
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bringbackthe80's, just to clear up any misconceptions (as it applies to the company south of DXB),
1) If you ge onto the "wrong" fleet your life will be 90 hour multi sector days with 7-8 days off per month. There is definitely no progressing onto "any aircraft you want". Some get lucky, some don't.
2) No free housing. If you want a reasonable place (for a family), the chances are good that you will be supplementing from your own pocket. Also bear in mind that Abu Dhabi does not have rental price increase controls. So what looks reasonable one year suddenly becomes 10%+ more expensive the following year. Also the selection of what's available is plain lousy. The company housing is very limited, and generally in what most people would consider a "moon base".
3) No free education. Good luck finding anything within the schooling allowance budget. You will be fortunate to find anything under 45k for primary. The allowance is 36k. Once again you will be supplementing.
4) Business class tickets. Yes, but, no, but, yes, but, no, but........
5) No provident fund. Only an end of service benefit. After 8 years in the company you go home with about €100,000-00 if you got your command (and that's at today's exchange rate of €1=AED3.95)
6) Safe. Yes
7) Stable. Not on the "wrong" fleet, if roster stability is what you are after. As for the company, well, let's hope the oil price goes back up to $90 per barrel pronto.
Unfortunately the above information is not easily available, and how it actually affects you is difficult to interpret unless you live here.
1) If you ge onto the "wrong" fleet your life will be 90 hour multi sector days with 7-8 days off per month. There is definitely no progressing onto "any aircraft you want". Some get lucky, some don't.
2) No free housing. If you want a reasonable place (for a family), the chances are good that you will be supplementing from your own pocket. Also bear in mind that Abu Dhabi does not have rental price increase controls. So what looks reasonable one year suddenly becomes 10%+ more expensive the following year. Also the selection of what's available is plain lousy. The company housing is very limited, and generally in what most people would consider a "moon base".
3) No free education. Good luck finding anything within the schooling allowance budget. You will be fortunate to find anything under 45k for primary. The allowance is 36k. Once again you will be supplementing.
4) Business class tickets. Yes, but, no, but, yes, but, no, but........
5) No provident fund. Only an end of service benefit. After 8 years in the company you go home with about €100,000-00 if you got your command (and that's at today's exchange rate of €1=AED3.95)
6) Safe. Yes
7) Stable. Not on the "wrong" fleet, if roster stability is what you are after. As for the company, well, let's hope the oil price goes back up to $90 per barrel pronto.
Unfortunately the above information is not easily available, and how it actually affects you is difficult to interpret unless you live here.
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To be honest I was thinking of another company in the region, which recently has some good feedbacks from people working there.
But really good info, thank you.
But really good info, thank you.
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Sadly, the only point I agree with you on this is the 'safe' bit - yes street crime is almost non prevalent, but don't get too complacent. In Abu Dhabi an American lady was murdered in the toilets of an upscale mall. I also believed an Emirates pilot was attacked viciously in his own home with a knife by an Emirati. Career progression on any aircraft you like? Good luck with that! Free housing and free schooling? No such thing as a free lunch my friend. Don't you mean 8 months of bad weather? Business class tickets around the world? Your once only annual ticket is confirmed economy only. Prices of confirmed business have increased greatly, and again are subject to availability - meaning during school holidays you can forget it. Standby all the way bro, and then you will be damn lucky to get an economy seat during peak period.
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New joiners or people who have gone past the PNR and have to 'commit' themselves to the big 3 will always put a positive spin on what it is like. Human nature. Better to have a chat with somone who has left. As there are many of recent leavers right now, I can get you in touch with some of them
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For the original poster, you should at least upgrade before you come to the ME3. Upgrading or changing aircraft is highly subjective and based on who you know and also on luck. QR is upgrading some folks but many others have been thrown under the bus. If you have a stable job at home then don't even think about the Middle East.