Emirates pilot refuses alcohol test
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Was that the one in SIN where the Canadian was reported by one K****d Al G****l..? If I remember correctly the story went something along the lines of the guy chatting up a hostie in a bar, a hostie that KAG was wanting to get his slimy hands on. Once KAG found out he was close to limits for drinking he reported him to the company who had the testers waiting at pick-up time...
All second hand tales of course so could be BS - but wouldn't surprise me either if true, having met that individual on several occasions...
All second hand tales of course so could be BS - but wouldn't surprise me either if true, having met that individual on several occasions...
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Just to clear up one point, only 100 Pax were ŽaffectedŽ, because the rest were rebooked. Not that it matters, given the actual discussion at hand.
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That's friggin hilarious! This person thinks they're Clint Eastwood. I'd love to see this false sense "command ship" play out in real life, I'm thinking they'd piss their pants and start weeping like a 2 year old that just lost his blanket.
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I got banned from Rumors and News section, for stating facts that Mod Captains don't like.
"Once I enter my aircraft, I have command and any unpolite clowns will be thrown off."
Often an incorrect statement - certainly is in this case. The Captain is in command in many countries once the aircraft is moving under its own power.
A few countries is once they enter the aircraft but then I am sure a law can be overriding that and am sure many guys with big guns will tell you, you have the right of appeal off the aircraft as you are dragged out in front of many more people than just those on the aircraft. Probably then having grounds for a mandatory D&A blood test only to find both - the string of charges 3 miles long and never to see outside jail again.
Yep me to love to see the I am In Command statement made.
I also think as posted this happened in Australia so Drug and Alcohol limits of Australia apply, also the D & A of the aircraft rego country will apply and any D & A crew licences in any and every country they hold. (the lowest level can be used in my opinion)
"Once I enter my aircraft, I have command and any unpolite clowns will be thrown off."
Often an incorrect statement - certainly is in this case. The Captain is in command in many countries once the aircraft is moving under its own power.
A few countries is once they enter the aircraft but then I am sure a law can be overriding that and am sure many guys with big guns will tell you, you have the right of appeal off the aircraft as you are dragged out in front of many more people than just those on the aircraft. Probably then having grounds for a mandatory D&A blood test only to find both - the string of charges 3 miles long and never to see outside jail again.
Yep me to love to see the I am In Command statement made.
I also think as posted this happened in Australia so Drug and Alcohol limits of Australia apply, also the D & A of the aircraft rego country will apply and any D & A crew licences in any and every country they hold. (the lowest level can be used in my opinion)
Command means you are responsible for the safety and lawful operation of the aircraft and flight. It does not make you Lord and Master despite what some 'Commanders ' think!
You can only operate within the Law, step outside that and you are on your own.
You can only operate within the Law, step outside that and you are on your own.
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Kapitan, the guy you mention should have sued for wrongful dismissal. Alcohol ban applies to a period before sign on. That is when you are on duty. You are not on duty on the way to sign on. You might be in uniform and you might be in a crew bus or your own transport. But, you are not on duty until you sign on. The ignorant & arrogant response of the employers saying "That is not how we interpret the rules" is astonishing. Rules are rules and are not open to interpretation.
Landflap, just out of interest, have you ever worked for a ME airline? Do you honestly think that there is a snowballs chance in the Dubai summer that a wrongful dismissal case from a semi-govt entity who can operate with impunity, is going to EVER succeed?
Suspend your indignation and understand that the rule of law is applied in these countries in anyway is deemed best by those who write the laws.
Don't believe me? Just remember that in the ME, some are more equal than others.
I'm sure in a unionised airline in a semi civilised country like Australia that the case you are referring too may indeed have some merit, but the employer and employee aren't based there.
As to the Perth situation, 0 sympathy, we all know the rules, and many of us refrain from anything else than a quiet pint whilst down route for this very reason....he must have been steaming.
Suspend your indignation and understand that the rule of law is applied in these countries in anyway is deemed best by those who write the laws.
Don't believe me? Just remember that in the ME, some are more equal than others.
I'm sure in a unionised airline in a semi civilised country like Australia that the case you are referring too may indeed have some merit, but the employer and employee aren't based there.
As to the Perth situation, 0 sympathy, we all know the rules, and many of us refrain from anything else than a quiet pint whilst down route for this very reason....he must have been steaming.
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Sorry to bring this thread back on topic but the rumours I am hearing is that apparently he even passed the test, having repeated it a couple of times. Seems to get stranger the deeper you dig.
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Sorry to bring this thread back on topic but the rumours I am hearing is that apparently he even passed the test, having repeated it a couple of times. Seems to get stranger the deeper you dig.
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I agree White Knight, however what I am hearing (and of course it is only pure speculation)is that it wasn't refused. If this is true then it's a worrying development.
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Personally I'm too much of a lightweight to drink anything near the amount that would leave me close to limits prior to pick-up... I can't get a proper normal rest even after only a few pints the night before - messes with my sleep cycle.
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I dont think the below paragraph out of the ERM allows for much interpretation...
2.1
The Company maintains a zero tolerance approach to the consumption of alcohol and drugs, and therefore employees should not be under the influence of alcohol or drugs while :
carrying out duties on behalf of the Company - on or off Company premises, during official breaks (including meal breaks), and on periods of standby subject to being called on duty
in uniform (on or off duty)
driving a Company vehicle (on or off duty)
2.1
The Company maintains a zero tolerance approach to the consumption of alcohol and drugs, and therefore employees should not be under the influence of alcohol or drugs while :
carrying out duties on behalf of the Company - on or off Company premises, during official breaks (including meal breaks), and on periods of standby subject to being called on duty
in uniform (on or off duty)
driving a Company vehicle (on or off duty)
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I'm a bit late catching up with this but here I go...
According to the newspaper article the Captain was reported by the F/O. Looks like a major breakdown in CRM to me. I can think of much better ways of handling a potentially intoxicated crew member than ringing the company. I only hope the F/O tried to have a friendly chat first before picking up the phone.
According to the newspaper article the Captain was reported by the F/O. Looks like a major breakdown in CRM to me. I can think of much better ways of handling a potentially intoxicated crew member than ringing the company. I only hope the F/O tried to have a friendly chat first before picking up the phone.
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I'm a bit late catching up with this but here I go...
According to the newspaper article the Captain was reported by the F/O. Looks like a major breakdown in CRM to me. I can think of much better ways of handling a potentially intoxicated crew member than ringing the company. I only hope the F/O tried to have a friendly chat first before picking up the phone.
According to the newspaper article the Captain was reported by the F/O. Looks like a major breakdown in CRM to me. I can think of much better ways of handling a potentially intoxicated crew member than ringing the company. I only hope the F/O tried to have a friendly chat first before picking up the phone.
2FOs and 1 Capt.
