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Old 15th Feb 2017, 07:01
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Last 9 months...! Last 9 years, more like. At least...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 14:05
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Who mentioned something about not taking pics whilst "the engines are turning" or something to that effect?

Instagram is awash with images of pilots (some at EK) with pictures during a time of flight that I'm pretty sure the engines are turning.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 15:27
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The Dutchy was nauseating. I loved going on for a good laugh. Tragically he's made his profile private. He's doing you guys proud!

These gimps HAVE to be plants by the airline to make it look like a jolly nice place to work.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 22:05
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Well, some of their attempts at astroturfing are starting to show cracks.

For example their poster child female captain is resigning to go to the bottom of the seniority list at United. I guess she got tired of "seeing a new airport every day".

Bye-bye.



Pretty sure the Aussie guy from the same series of propaganda has left too.

All that glitters...
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 07:41
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Well, if true, isn't that ironic. I thought it was brilliant over here...
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 08:18
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Anas is from Air Arabia.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 13:18
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Nolimitholdem

I suppose you attribute her leaving is based entirely due to dissatisfaction with Emirates?

I doubt for one minute you might consider various other factors, one of which might well be her attitude to fellow 'colleagues', or to the point, their 'attitude' towards her.

Whatever your gripes and issues with this Company, the immaturity, lack of basic respect and overall aggressive tone shown towards her and others that have been chosen to support 'the brand', is disappointing. It's nothing more than internet bullying and all done under the convenient handle of anonymity. Please don't come back with the expected 'she left herself open when she agreed' line. She probably wasn't expecting such vitriolic comments from so called colleagues. I have had the pleasure of flying with Ashley only once before. I found her to be a more than capable pilot, professional in appearance and attitude, and with nothing to prove other than to enjoy life and make the best of what opportunity brings.

Jealousy takes many forms but the poison you and some others show to anything positive on these forums is more a reflection on your own bitter and unhappy lives rather than theirs. Constant negativity is a cancer and it spreads. I'm all for telling it as it is but the rubbish that pervades these forums is, at times, beyond belief. Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Ashley's career book and move onto something different if life here no longer offers what you want.

I for one will be wishing her well in her new career, wherever that may be!

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Old 18th Feb 2017, 14:08
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Wow Harry,

Being a little sensitive are we?

What was so " immature, lacking of basic respect and overall aggressive tone" about nolimitholdems post? It seems to me the only thing he posted was that she left for another airline.

It might be that she made such a great impression on you for that ONE time you flew together and that's great, but you (even you Harry) have to be smart enough to realize that anyone who puts their head above the trench in this operation runs the risk of getting a swift kick to it.

Personally, I don't have a lot of respect for "poster girls/boys" especially in this operation, it just seems like its a sellout for the wrong reasons combined with a lot of false pre tense and that is not fair to those on the outside looking in. I might partially share your sentiment if the actors showed an ounce of fairness and balanced the fallacy with the facts such as the 110 hour months, lack of decent leave, management mentality and about 20 other negatives. I'll assume it was just an oversight and they forgot to mention it.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 15:36
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For someone who was quick to inform us all of the sweat and toil you endured on C47's in your early days, it surprises me that you're less than empathetic to the bullying one of our colleagues has had to endure on these forums. She is merely taking what opportunity comes her way and no, she doesn't deserve a kicking for it. I didn't realise that professional pilots rolled that way but hey, you learn something new every day I guess.

Just because she appeared on promotional videos does not tie her into the Company for life.

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Old 18th Feb 2017, 16:07
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Harry,

Who was bullied? Did Nolimit bully her a few posts back?

And what does my career path have to do with anything in THIS thread?

I disagree with you with regard to your statement "Just because she appeared on promotional videos does not tie her into the Company for life." I'm afraid so ol' bean but I think it does. She signed off on any rights to the video and the company now owns that footage and her image. She is, or was not ignorant to that fact at the time and yes, it does tie her to this company for life.

Another point you have conveniently avoided was my position of a balanced factual video which to be fair should state the good with the bad. Seems you were too interested in making smart remarks about my days of yore!

As for professional pilots, they're just same as doctors and lawyers. Know a couple of each and if you think pilots talk crap...its the way it happens in all walks of life.

Anyway did she deserve all that crap you speak of? Who's to say. If the company was different then maybe not. But there are a lot of pissed off people in the ranks (and for many good reasons), she made her choice and with that she opens herself to the good, the bad and the ugly.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 00:19
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I have never met AK but I wish her good luck if she is moving onto greener pastures. She has managed to use the company to her benefit rather than many who feel the reverse. As ex-pats we are all here for self gain! Now it looks like she is moving back to the first world to join a reputable legacy carrier. I wonder who is going to have the last laugh here?
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 05:20
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at least she has balls to leave many of her colleagues don't have them and stay
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 05:29
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But sadly, her video, along with others, was created to convince others that the lifestyle and company was all peaches and cream. Most promotional videos do that of course. But her video may have been the tipping point for people to upend their lives and their families lives. And that is the point some are attempting to make here, IMHO.

I, of course, don't blame her for moving to that greener pasture. Lucky her. But isn't it just a bit hypocritical to leave so soon after being the "face" of EK, being in Hollywood on the Ellen show, and expressing her view that EK afforded her a luxurious lifestyle? A stretch here, but didn't we just see the exit of a small little man, who for his entire career, including BA, only was in it for himself? Parallels can be made.

And how is this any different than what our old friend, Capt. America, did? I know of one bloke whose tipping decision was based on C.A's article in the WSJ. And no one defended him, even before Tartan Guy tried to. Another story. Must be the difference between grey hair and flowing blonde tresses.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 07:32
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Contempt is probably too strong a word, but it is an emotion that is very similar to this when I hear and see the promotion of half truths and outright falsehoods with respect to life here.
The willing participants are merely reflective of the vile culture that exists in large portions both within and outside of EK and I find the whole idea of being a "star" in a recruitment video rather odd, but then there seems to be more than a few square pegs trying to fit into round holes hereabouts.
I genuinely believe that the place is as much to blame as is EK, it seems to create monsters of all persuasions, you know who I mean, that awful woman who wears to much makeup/bling who can't understand why little Jonny/Mohammed/Javed is always misbehaving at school and home...it doesn't matter how many IPads...ice creams...or mobiles phones he has...the maid just can't seem to control his tantrums while mummy is busy.
But if you don't like it leave.....it doesn't need changing, there's a new one born every minute.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 11:02
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harry,

I actually took pains to not disparage the person in the video. It was offered as evidence that even those who - either by choice, coercion, self-interest, whatever - allow themselves to be used as promotional tools of The Company, are leaving. THAT was the point, and I hoped some might draw their own conclusions from that fact.

You of course, went another direction and chose to jump on your high horse and ride gallantly to the rescue. Thanks for being utterly, completely predictable. Bullied? Come on. There are internet bullies and there are internet prima donnas. I find both equally distasteful.

Of course no one is tied to an employer forever (thank god!). But when someone who allows themselves to be featured in a breathy, obsequiously positive public portrayal of the lifestyle at EK, decides to vote with her feet so soon after, it says far more than her scripted words in a video.

No?

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Old 19th Feb 2017, 12:06
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No. And that's just the point.

Since taking part in various videos and events, the online derogatory comments and disparaging remarks have, and still are, directed at her. Both yourself and Outlaw have even succumbed to that on this very thread!

We could go on debating the rights and wrongs of this all day but whatever your viewpoint, the only person who will ever really know why they're leaving is Ashley herself. I doubt it's just because of EK's current conditions and I doubt it's solely related to comments made on this website. It's probably a combination of reasons, as is the case generally. Whatever they are, it certainly does not make a mockery of her previous role as an ambassador for the brand. Does working for the promotional team require a lifelong contract? I think not. Anyway, I doubt for one minute whether her videos will be featuring in EK media for much longer. The PR and Commercial teams are undoubtedly one of the strongest departments in this outfit and are forever evolving and changing.

As for the comment from Outlaw that I only flew with her once, so what? How many times do you need to fly with a person before deciding how they operate, twice, three times? What do they say, 2 minutes or so for a first impression? Generally it works for me and she proved that.

All I will say, finally on this matter, is that regardless of our own angst and frustration against the Company, unless you have the balls to speak bluntly to her face, don't say it on a public forum. Is that not the advice we'd give our own children or is cyber bullying acceptable nowadays? Subtle or direct, it's all the same and just as vile. The internet has provided the World with a forum to say things we'd not ordinarily say to an individual in person. It's brought out the best and the worst of us but we can choose what we say and how we say it. Behaviour breeds behaviour. Why not make those same comments on our own dedicated forum? You know, the one where you'll be required to identify yourself by providing a staff number. Bullies? Yep, often outed as cowards mostly.

As Outlaw said, there's the good, the bad and the ugly in this World. Unfortunately, the last two traits are frequently exposed on these ME threads, most often behind the cloak of anonymity and, sadly, very much to the detriment of our profession.

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Old 19th Feb 2017, 15:45
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
Looks like QR.

I wonder how long he spends staring at the mirror getting ready in the morning?
He works for Air Arabia
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 21:55
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Originally Posted by Pilot Jet
He works for Air Arabia
He used to work for Air Arabia. He now works for QR.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 23:42
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So I see nothing has changed here. Harry is still trying to manipulate emotionally (his manipulative attitude reminds me of Serbian idiot prime minister) and for some of you the only goal in life is to use the system for personal gain while the rest of the world can f burn...

Good luck Ashley.
I try not to judge, but I think people should have and act according to their ethical standards. Otherwise we are just a bunch of clueless living organisms wandering around without a common goal.
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Who can blame someone for wanting to star in a promotional video? Let's face it, nearly all women have a bit of the Grace Kelly in them.
Where I'd feel a bit aggrieved (if I had any skin in the game) , might be the view that she is trying to con pilots into joining EK, so that she can jump into their freshly vacated position back in the U.S.
Then again, any pilot that doesn't do their homework before leaving one job for another, has nobody to blame but themselves.
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