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Old 19th Oct 2016, 06:01
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Certainly likes a good selfie...

Selfie in the car
Selfie in the jet
Selfie on the steps
Selfie walking
Selfie plotting
Selfie on a boat
Selfie getting dressed
Selfie listening to his tunes

All hail the Selfie king...
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 07:12
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Don't know the guy but it's amazing how that turned personal with some of the comments on a forum which is largely anonymous.

Anyway, this place is pants and I stuck my head above the trench line and wrote to both HD (not the motorcycle brand) and AAR.

Surprisingly no reply but least I'm doing something rather than mocking someone trying to make the most of a bad situation and we wonder why, we don't support each other when times are sh*t.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 07:32
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Remember boys and girls,the full quote,relevant here,is:THE OTHER MANS GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER......BUT ITS JUST AS HARD TO CUT!
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 07:57
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lost & kemper

Spot on. The unity here is nonexistent. However, I have had to intervene on flights on more than one occasion because cabin crew wanted to throw each other under the bus for no other reason than to just do so. We do have excellent cabin crew for the most part and our Pursers are outstanding.

What you are seeing on the EK forums is frustration and complete lack of logic and respect by the company when dealing with its pilots. With a particular group routinely and perpetually getting shafted while the rest look away. We all have suffered differing degrees here, and some, not at all. So the angry don't understand the complacent and vice versa. I would put myself in the very angry column and therefore can in no way endorse anyone coming here. At best someone who has experienced few problems here could say they were lucky, and fortunate not to be affected. But they too should also be hesitant when seeing how some of their fellow pilots are treated. They should be thinking, "Who's next?" and at the very minimum, "Whats Next?" Changes are coming so fast and furious here now and it is so unstable, it is not the time to consider EK. Go to the Goat if you want to come out this way.

Sealer-Come on over EK would love to have you. I would very strongly advise against leaving an A320 job at a Major to come here. Best of luck either way.

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Old 19th Oct 2016, 08:55
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On a lighter note, if he was to hook up with our YouTube fashionista - who needs 'Keeping up with Kimye'?!

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Old 19th Oct 2016, 09:40
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Originally Posted by sealear
I hear the same complaints every day on line that you are mentioning here.
That is a typical PR spin. If you go by number of official complaints by unionized employees to CAA about their employer, I am sure US and EU legacies will top the chart. I am sure Air India tops the complaints chart in the region.

Now shall we get into union dog jokes.

Don't use that excuse to discount complaints here as mere whining by few disgruntled chaps. EK working conditions supposed to above all (including QR,EY).
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 09:56
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Personally I like Flying Douchie, especially the photo of his big face grinning at the steps of a 777 whilst discussing the EK521.

Look, we try to fight our corner with management and the general public, at times appearing desperate in our bid to be considered as professionals. Then people like this cent post uniform and flight deck selfies every other day.

How can we expect to be taken seriously when we ask for a pay increase while on Instagram there's photos of this muppet in full uniform pretending he doesn't know he's being snapped while he sips a costa.

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Old 19th Oct 2016, 10:53
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Why not post a link to somebody's Instagram account? It is out there in the open for anybody to find and the guy has 18,000 followers (but, apparently, no friends) so he obviously loves the PR. The company won't mind until one day he posts something they take exception to (which he will, he appears to have already broken some of the "rules") and then the sky will fall in on him. If he hasn't figured that out yet he should have his smartphone taken away for his own protection.

And, yes, he is clearly a muppet of the highest order.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 11:21
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What BigGeordie said.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 11:21
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This sector is full of people loving themselves so much for being a pilot. My friends and family like some nice views from above but I don't think they care about the coffee I drink or the hotel I sleep in...
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 12:10
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It is hilarious ....

We laugh at those cc who come up with "my Mohammed is different" and then are crushed by the cynical local mentality a few months later.

But there are just as many future FBW artists who are absolutely sure that "their dream EK" is different as well and know absolutely for sure that those lazy actual pilots writing up these ugly stories are completely wrong.

We told you so, both of you!

I don't mind being attended by a naive cc, but i do mind being flown by such bright faced social media heroes.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 15:06
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Originally Posted by four engine jock
Slug!! Why must I do that?? And no I'm not an Expat pilot.
Tell me I'm wrong?? All I read here is all you pilots complaining.
Wake up and smell the rose’s ,,,,things are not going to change unless you all just leave.
I think this is by far the best message I've seen on this forum. It's now painfully obvious where and who you work for :-D
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 17:40
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No, really!

Was it the thread title that gave it away, or the fact that I replied to someone who felt that he had a good insight of the topic being discussed, yet knows nothing about the challenges of moving to an expat airline and all that it entails...

I'm sure I saw you in Costas today?
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 19:34
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Originally Posted by glofish
It is hilarious ....

We laugh at those cc who come up with "my Mohammed is different" and then are crushed by the cynical local mentality a few months later.

But there are just as many future FBW artists who are absolutely sure that "their dream EK" is different as well and know absolutely for sure that those lazy actual pilots writing up these ugly stories are completely wrong.

We told you so, both of you!

I don't mind being attended by a naive cc, but i do mind being flown by such bright faced social media heroes.
Major thread drift and a new low here. Picking on a new colleague just because he happens to enjoy his job and also mocking him just because he is active on social media.

Well he's definitely not alone in that respect and I can't see how that could make anyone a lesser capable pilot. Or is it only pilots with old brick Nokias that can fly a plane to your high standards?

More than 18.000 people find his pictures interesting and I can't really see he's broken any "rules". Or are you one of those pilots that does not allow a picture in the flight deck for security reasons...

Anyway, I happen to know J in person and he's a super guy, with lots of friends and having more luck with the ladies than you bitter bunch here probably have got.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 23:09
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Major thread drift and a new low here. Picking on a new colleague just because he happens to enjoy his job and also mocking him just because he is active on social media.

Well he's definitely not alone in that respect and I can't see how that could make anyone a lesser capable pilot. Or is it only pilots with old brick Nokias that can fly a plane to your high standards?

More than 18.000 people find his pictures interesting and I can't really see he's broken any "rules". Or are you one of those pilots that does not allow a picture in the flight deck for security reasons...

Anyway, I happen to know J in person and he's a super guy, with lots of friends and having more luck with the ladies than you bitter bunch here probably have got.
Good for you LosPilotos, and really happy your friend is getting all the girls. He sure warrants it based on all the effort he's putting in. This is not a personal attack on the fact he enjoys his job, the level of professionalism is what has hit a new low here...is this really what we have become!

Maybe we should all be taking more pics and posting on social media, hey don't stop here lets get all our non aviation friends to do the same....doctors, lawyers, accountants it'll be fun
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 23:16
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I can't really see he's broken any "rules"
OMA 8.3.19.1
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 23:44
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OMA 8.3.19.1
Thank you! 8.3 details policies by phase of flight. Being parked at the gate, engines shut down cannot possibly be considered as a phase of flight.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 23:49
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Originally Posted by SilverSeated
Good for you LosPilotos, and really happy your friend is getting all the girls. He sure warrants it based on all the effort he's putting in. This is not a personal attack on the fact he enjoys his job, the level of professionalism is what has hit a new low here...is this really what we have become!

Maybe we should all be taking more pics and posting on social media, hey don't stop here lets get all our non aviation friends to do the same....doctors, lawyers, accountants it'll be fun
Please define professionalism in the context of how an active social media presence reduces professionalism.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 02:10
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A somewhat wide topic, so hard to debate. People will always argue about the definition of "professionalism", and it's beyond the scope of this thread. But I will say, that social media - rightly or wrongly - is more often associated with things like Kardashian and Trump tweets and self-absorbed millennials posting selfies than anything of substance. Surely that's not an inaccurate statement?

It's one thing to defend one's right to plaster cheesy pics of themselves all over their Instagram account - fine. But are you really trying to suggest that it conveys a professional image? Um, ok. Agree to disagree. I have a feeling of regardless of how you want to nit-pick the OM-A, EK won't be thrilled to have their "brand" splashed around quite so much outside of their official permission. Even "positive" spins on EK are now avenues for ridicule, as you can clearly see.

BigGeordie already summed it up beautifully. Reminds me of the old Christmas letters people used to send, trying desperately to convince their friends and family how wonderful their lives are. Social media is just another form of that. Seems to me if you have to work so hard to show people how awesome your life is, it probably isn't. And if you spend so much time trying to record and broadcast your life, you aren't living it, and are thus actually a total loser. But that's just my opinion. Selfie yourself to death, have at 'er.

I don't do much twitface or flickgram because I'm too busy having a life and, well, wasting time on here. However, to me it seems all about the impression you want to give. I do sometimes think it would be fun to set up two separate accounts- one to show all the positive stuff about Dubai and Emirates and one to show all the negative. I'm sure I could make people back in the real world green with envy and have them feeling sorry for me at the same time. As ever, the truth would be somewhere in the middle- and the negative stuff would probably get me fired, which is why I won't be doing it.

When people make major decisions about things like moving their family halfway around the world for a new job and a completely new life they really, really want to think they have made the right decision and they want everybody else to think that as well. Hence there is a great reluctance to post anything negative on social media. I don't think I have ever seen a post on Facebook by someone admitting that their new job/car/house/wife is actually a huge mistake and they wish they had never done it/bought it/married it. Call it human nature, call it confirmation bias if you want to sound clever but either way remember- the internet is not real life.

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Old 20th Oct 2016, 03:17
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem
A somewhat wide topic, so hard to debate. People will always argue about the definition of "professionalism", and it's beyond the scope of this thread. But I will say, that social media - rightly or wrongly - is more often associated with things like Kardashian and Trump tweets and self-absorbed millennials posting selfies than anything of substance. Surely that's not an inaccurate statement?
That's a very much more balanced view, that I respect. It's one thing not to like social media, it's a completely different thing ridiculing a professional colleague.

BTW, here is the Instagram account of someone who's a better stick n rudder pilot anyone of us will ever be (just to show you can have a strong social media presence and still be professional): https://www.instagram.com/hannesarch/
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