Stay away from Emirates. (EK)
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I honestly don't know why people still go there. It is probably one of the most toxic and stressful work environments that takes its toll on you after a few years. The whole region especially Dubai thrives on consumerism and money and the whole system is quite sickening and messed up. The constant stress, lack of sleep, consumer driven rat-race is just nauseating. There is much more to life than that.
I left EK after a brief 3 years and returned home (third world country by the way). The absolute joy and appreciation I get from everyday normal life is hard to explain. Yes I earn less money, but I realized money can not buy you the simple things in life - fresh air, nature, greenery, rain etc.
For the guys going there now beware - It is a slave-ship. You will lose all passion for flying within a few years. I've warned so many of my colleagues here at home and still they go... However a few phoned me after a few months to check how things are back home as they realized they made a mistake and wanted to come back... Just saying....
I left EK after a brief 3 years and returned home (third world country by the way). The absolute joy and appreciation I get from everyday normal life is hard to explain. Yes I earn less money, but I realized money can not buy you the simple things in life - fresh air, nature, greenery, rain etc.
For the guys going there now beware - It is a slave-ship. You will lose all passion for flying within a few years. I've warned so many of my colleagues here at home and still they go... However a few phoned me after a few months to check how things are back home as they realized they made a mistake and wanted to come back... Just saying....
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Guys. I’m just being honest about leaving. It was the best move I ever did. I told my FO yesterday about the ridiculous emirates “congratulations handshake” after each flight! I have to say, that did start a laugh and imitation game! Who on earth invented that??
Or what?
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There is nothing wrong to shake your colleague's hand at the completion of a trip, especially when the odds of seeing them again are rather low. If it's my name in the Tech Log, then I am just grateful for the help provided by my colleague(s) on the flight deck. It' s not unique to EK but it would be a different story in a small base with a handful of crew you see often.
Who is saying congratulations? In my flight deck before EK I always shook my colleague’s hand to say thanks for a nice day out, in the interest of professional courtesy. Had always assumed that was the same intention here at EK, not least because it’s the last thing you want to be hanging around for when your suitcase finally makes an appearance.
Or what?
Obviously the person mocking this practice is unaware of social norms and should be ignored
Good morning all could someone share a month roster on 777/787, time away from Doha days on and off. I have read a lot of the EK posts, is Qatar roster pattern more or less the same??
short flights long nights
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i try to be nice
presently it’s about 5 years
but if u are sick for too many days over a Periode of 2 years - therefore your attendance record is bad - you will be delayed - that is also depending on which fleet you are on. Further it does not matter - since recently - if it’s certified or not - your attendance is lacking behind
that may cost you up to 2 years
if you are in a lucky position to get more checking than training in your upgrade your are faster out than you blink with an eye - waiting for a re-attempt 24 month plus u have done the process again which leads to more likely 3 years waiting
In regards to the airplanes arriving ( new types ) if you are on the wrong fleet it will cost you easily 2 years if somebody in the management makes a clear und understandable deceision over how much experience is needed to operate an airplane
so all together if I are lucky it’s 5, if not than accurately said somewhere between 5 and 12 years
a little hint on the side: if you are unwilling to read threads here - suggested ones - between the lines, you will have difficulties to read EK documentation as all the info you need is spread out over several manuals which are not liked and update together
presently it’s about 5 years
but if u are sick for too many days over a Periode of 2 years - therefore your attendance record is bad - you will be delayed - that is also depending on which fleet you are on. Further it does not matter - since recently - if it’s certified or not - your attendance is lacking behind
that may cost you up to 2 years
if you are in a lucky position to get more checking than training in your upgrade your are faster out than you blink with an eye - waiting for a re-attempt 24 month plus u have done the process again which leads to more likely 3 years waiting
In regards to the airplanes arriving ( new types ) if you are on the wrong fleet it will cost you easily 2 years if somebody in the management makes a clear und understandable deceision over how much experience is needed to operate an airplane
so all together if I are lucky it’s 5, if not than accurately said somewhere between 5 and 12 years
a little hint on the side: if you are unwilling to read threads here - suggested ones - between the lines, you will have difficulties to read EK documentation as all the info you need is spread out over several manuals which are not liked and update together
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WB1900 I really appreciate the detailed info you provided, I understand it is frustrating repeating info on here but sometimes reading through this stuff is as fun as chewing glass.
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arena1
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Arena 1 - you'll do fine as an FO at emirates, the new type of "millennial" pilot, one who expects everyone to do the work for him rather than doing some research himself!
If you'd tried to read through some of the threads but still didn't understand then Ok, but from the sound of it that was too much like hard work!
Thinking about coming half way around the world to join a company you have no idea about and yet can't be bothered to read about it!!!!
Duh, as I said you're just the type EK are looking for!!
PS And getting an upgrade with your attitude - unlikely!
See you at EK soon no doubt!!
If you'd tried to read through some of the threads but still didn't understand then Ok, but from the sound of it that was too much like hard work!
Thinking about coming half way around the world to join a company you have no idea about and yet can't be bothered to read about it!!!!
Duh, as I said you're just the type EK are looking for!!
PS And getting an upgrade with your attitude - unlikely!
See you at EK soon no doubt!!
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After reading one disaster story after another at EK over the last couple of years which includes, parking aeroplanes because they are short of crew, crew leaving due to fatigue, Nazi style management, attendance records holding people back from upgrade even if they were approved by the company for sick leave, imprisonment for not paying back a bond which has also since increased form 3 to 5 years....
One simply has to ask why anybody in their right mind would join this outfit? Surely with all the parked aeroplanes and loss of flight crew EK must really be rethinking their hiring and employment strategy as this one is just not working and the word has spread that its a rubbish job and the tax free money of yesteryear is not what it used to be..
I really dont see how much longer EK can keep this lunacy going for!!
One simply has to ask why anybody in their right mind would join this outfit? Surely with all the parked aeroplanes and loss of flight crew EK must really be rethinking their hiring and employment strategy as this one is just not working and the word has spread that its a rubbish job and the tax free money of yesteryear is not what it used to be..
I really dont see how much longer EK can keep this lunacy going for!!
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Why people still come
They still come because they come from places where Dubai is seen as a paradise.
and it is indeed paradise if you come from some places in India or Bangladesh, just to name a couple of places.
this doesn't mean that I regard Dubai as paradise compared to India or Bangladesh, quite the opposite.
But, from a professional pilot point of view, and management style point of view (this I don't have a direct experience, just heard) Dubai is a great improvement.
My idea.
KL
and it is indeed paradise if you come from some places in India or Bangladesh, just to name a couple of places.
this doesn't mean that I regard Dubai as paradise compared to India or Bangladesh, quite the opposite.
But, from a professional pilot point of view, and management style point of view (this I don't have a direct experience, just heard) Dubai is a great improvement.
My idea.
KL