Stay away from Emirates. (EK)
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No, Musing Spunk Monk, it's just that we've seen what Emirates do to people who take pictures in the flight deck or in the cabin with celebrities, or infront of an engine, etc. without official "permission". Wish it wasn't true, but you or this FO will find out soon, so hey carry on ... and good luck with it.
"Be brand proud. Everybody loves to photograph our people in uniform. These photos may appear online. You may post selfies in uniform or photos of our products and branding, but when you do so, ensure you meet uniform standards and brand guidelines. "
IŽd say the company encourages these pictures, as long as they are done sensibly. E.g. not running around taking pictures outside while the passengers are on board and youŽre having a delay due tech, as it happened in Colombo I believe it was. (This is the reason for the urban myth that you get fired if you take a picture in front of the airplane)
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normally I am just a curious browser of Pprune..
but some of the posts above would infuriate any young first officer.. I am not in my 20's ..nt even close really.. so I really have to say this.. you guys really need to calm down.. nd I don't mean to imply the young chaps.. I m talking to my fellow oldies here..
really leave the guy alone with his pics.. don't be so orthodox.. even if I was a FO.. I really wouldn't wanna sit next to guy like some of the posters above..
maybe you are just frustrated .. but you need to look at the bigger picture .. We fly day and night with these guys.. some of them are really hard working young guys .. maybe just like some of you .. when you were in your 20s .. any honest hard working person would feel insulted if you start generalizing them by age group and judge their capabilities by age..
personally I find a lot these young FO's much more sharper than I am... some of them just need to mature a bit.. but hey.. thats surely gonna come with time.. I am sure you guys did some crazy stuff when you were young and now brag about all that after a few beers and have some fine stories to tell.. I certainly have some..
The way I see it.. as long as I am here to read your replies in a day.. I did a fine job in my flight..
fly safe and respect your colleagues..
but some of the posts above would infuriate any young first officer.. I am not in my 20's ..nt even close really.. so I really have to say this.. you guys really need to calm down.. nd I don't mean to imply the young chaps.. I m talking to my fellow oldies here..
really leave the guy alone with his pics.. don't be so orthodox.. even if I was a FO.. I really wouldn't wanna sit next to guy like some of the posters above..
maybe you are just frustrated .. but you need to look at the bigger picture .. We fly day and night with these guys.. some of them are really hard working young guys .. maybe just like some of you .. when you were in your 20s .. any honest hard working person would feel insulted if you start generalizing them by age group and judge their capabilities by age..
personally I find a lot these young FO's much more sharper than I am... some of them just need to mature a bit.. but hey.. thats surely gonna come with time.. I am sure you guys did some crazy stuff when you were young and now brag about all that after a few beers and have some fine stories to tell.. I certainly have some..
The way I see it.. as long as I am here to read your replies in a day.. I did a fine job in my flight..
fly safe and respect your colleagues..
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It is however illegal to take photographs on the ramp in Dubai- and that is not just an Emirates thing, it is something the police have taken an interest in before. It is also not something which is encouraged at a number of the airports we fly to. Do it and you will eventually end up having a chat with the local cops. If you insist on taking selfies at least know the rules and be careful out there.
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Unbelievable... Reading some of these replies makes me ashamed of having such colleagues.
I've flown with "old farts" who were great Captains and leaders, who had good people skills and were very nice to fly with. I've also flown with "old farts" who were exactly what a Captain shouldn't be and they were a good example of what sort of Captain I don't want to be. (I think some of them are active on PPRuNe.)
I've flown with FOs in their 20s who were hard working, humble, eager to learn and motivated for the job they did. I have also flown with FOs who were the opposite.
So please stop the generalisation of age groups.
Some people forget that they once were young and inexperienced themselves and that they probably had to put up with older Captains who didn't think too much of them either. No matter how good their intentions were.
Do you expect someone who only had experience flying short haul, to know everything there is to know about flying long haul all over the world? Everyone keeps learning, even the "old farts", but not everyone will admit it.
I like learning from experienced captains (the good type of Captains), just like I enjoy passing on some of my experience to other FOs (the good type of FOs). Isn't that what colleagues should do, instead of arguing on an anonymous forum?
I've flown with "old farts" who were great Captains and leaders, who had good people skills and were very nice to fly with. I've also flown with "old farts" who were exactly what a Captain shouldn't be and they were a good example of what sort of Captain I don't want to be. (I think some of them are active on PPRuNe.)
I've flown with FOs in their 20s who were hard working, humble, eager to learn and motivated for the job they did. I have also flown with FOs who were the opposite.
So please stop the generalisation of age groups.
Some people forget that they once were young and inexperienced themselves and that they probably had to put up with older Captains who didn't think too much of them either. No matter how good their intentions were.
Do you expect someone who only had experience flying short haul, to know everything there is to know about flying long haul all over the world? Everyone keeps learning, even the "old farts", but not everyone will admit it.
I like learning from experienced captains (the good type of Captains), just like I enjoy passing on some of my experience to other FOs (the good type of FOs). Isn't that what colleagues should do, instead of arguing on an anonymous forum?
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Monk(ey) Boy,
Just go back to playing on the PS and quit making yourself look like a clown with the post pubescent wise cracks.
If you want to come...then come...hey, its a great place to learn the lessons you so desperately need!
I hope we can fly together someday so I can really demonstrate with fervour...what "old farts" are really like...I'm not shy!
PS...in the meantime, try to grow up and write like a 22 year old.
Just go back to playing on the PS and quit making yourself look like a clown with the post pubescent wise cracks.
If you want to come...then come...hey, its a great place to learn the lessons you so desperately need!
I hope we can fly together someday so I can really demonstrate with fervour...what "old farts" are really like...I'm not shy!
PS...in the meantime, try to grow up and write like a 22 year old.
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Guys really ?
Really are we gonna do this here ?
Now are we even gonna bad mouth each other on an online forum which, by the way a lot of you already know is quite often visited by costa dwellers.
Please don’t tell me that you are not happy with the FO’s you fly with either. It won’t make any sense. Please don’t tell me that when you got your airline job you all were just next to perfection.
I personally don’t agree with some of the language used by MusingMonk, but guys Costa dwellers already think we are nothing but a bunch of moaners who are frustrated with life.
Now, if we come here and start saying stuff like this about our own colleagues .. we are just proving their point here.
I really don’t think you guys are understanding what you doing here.
Please save all the prejudice you have about the first officers, candidates etc to your own private get togethers.
Have the maturity to control yourself on a public forum. If you can’t do that then you are no better than any of the young guys.
Personally, I agree with a lot of stuff things being said about you guys above. I just don’t agree with the language, but don’t get me wrong .. by no means I am on your side either.
I can still remember those days when I had to put up with guys like you for long trips, where you fly with the same guy for almost half a month.
Now I understand why some of the FO’s are so fed up.
Really are we gonna do this here ?
Now are we even gonna bad mouth each other on an online forum which, by the way a lot of you already know is quite often visited by costa dwellers.
Please don’t tell me that you are not happy with the FO’s you fly with either. It won’t make any sense. Please don’t tell me that when you got your airline job you all were just next to perfection.
I personally don’t agree with some of the language used by MusingMonk, but guys Costa dwellers already think we are nothing but a bunch of moaners who are frustrated with life.
Now, if we come here and start saying stuff like this about our own colleagues .. we are just proving their point here.
I really don’t think you guys are understanding what you doing here.
Please save all the prejudice you have about the first officers, candidates etc to your own private get togethers.
Have the maturity to control yourself on a public forum. If you can’t do that then you are no better than any of the young guys.
Personally, I agree with a lot of stuff things being said about you guys above. I just don’t agree with the language, but don’t get me wrong .. by no means I am on your side either.
I can still remember those days when I had to put up with guys like you for long trips, where you fly with the same guy for almost half a month.
Now I understand why some of the FO’s are so fed up.
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I hope we can fly together someday so I can really demonstrate with fervour...what "old farts" are really like...I'm not shy!
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This thread is a dream for EK Management. It appears we are attacking each other on the strength of Instagram accounts. There were some great guys joining EK but without doubt the flying experience of some of the new joiners is questionable in relation to those that joined a few years back. A few management trolls ready to sacrifice safety for a few shekels undoubtedly have come on here to add to the mix. To the newbies I say look at the type of flying in terms of destinations coupled with fatiguing rosters. Up until recently, the safety record was superb.... the exodus of experienced guys and TRE will make the 571 "incident" a more likely occurance. However there are some great newbies with the right attitude. EK is one of the worst places to join now. To the potential new joiners may I ask who is more credible, people who have been in this airline, who see it daily, who have been lied to and cheated, who don't have a legally binding contract, who are fatigued and who are leaving in unprecedented numbers, at financial loss and worse still moving kids from school and friends as their situation is no longer tenable. OR people who just drink the KoolAid without giving careful thought to why the hours requirement keeps dropping and so many guys fail at joining time? Why has the bond gone up again and again if people are so happy here? Do they ask why so many people across departments are leaving. The effect of regional $50 oil for the medium term. The cost of living. Inflation.... My 17 year old tells me the Jordanian FO is gorgeous and should be a model. He will earn more than you as a pilot, dad!! Hat and coat and best wishes to all.
alwayzinit ( from way back in post # 49-yes, some sad or bored people do start reading from the beginning)
This pretty well sums things up. ME carriers are in a unique historical position with regard to route structure , and the roster will naturally reflect this ; Far West one day , Far East the next . It is the frequent time zone changes on the health system that will prove to be a ticking time bomb .
6 hours kip in the bunk may sound fine , but not for all . In this regard , the "young" chaps seem to fare pretty well ; they are ready to hit downtown Sao Paulo at midnight local time , whereas all the old duffer Captain can manage is a few beers and then bed . Solo .
There has been a lot of back and forth on the forum over airline issues . We all know the grass is never greener on the other side . However , my experience is that things are usually not quite as bad as they seem , and invariably things do improve . The PEOPLE of an airline (Aircrew and ground crew) are an airlines greatest assets. Without them, an airline is nothing.
Even the most unenlightened management eventually comes to realize this ; unless the awareness comes too late . As I recall , when Pan Am folded , there were more "managers" in head office than there were line Captains.
For the young guys embarking on your aviation career, follow your dream . Won't be easy , but hey , as they say , "life has got to have a few drawbacks" !
A quick look at the Zombies waiting for transport in Arrivals gives an inkling.
There is, as far as I am aware, no other carrier operating the same roster structure as EK and as such we are in uncharted territory with regards the long term effects of this type of rostered flying.
To those who are tempted, just like every other decision made in aviation, get the facts and make an objective call.
Safe flying guys and gals, sometimes there are things more important than money,
There is, as far as I am aware, no other carrier operating the same roster structure as EK and as such we are in uncharted territory with regards the long term effects of this type of rostered flying.
To those who are tempted, just like every other decision made in aviation, get the facts and make an objective call.
Safe flying guys and gals, sometimes there are things more important than money,
6 hours kip in the bunk may sound fine , but not for all . In this regard , the "young" chaps seem to fare pretty well ; they are ready to hit downtown Sao Paulo at midnight local time , whereas all the old duffer Captain can manage is a few beers and then bed . Solo .
There has been a lot of back and forth on the forum over airline issues . We all know the grass is never greener on the other side . However , my experience is that things are usually not quite as bad as they seem , and invariably things do improve . The PEOPLE of an airline (Aircrew and ground crew) are an airlines greatest assets. Without them, an airline is nothing.
Even the most unenlightened management eventually comes to realize this ; unless the awareness comes too late . As I recall , when Pan Am folded , there were more "managers" in head office than there were line Captains.
For the young guys embarking on your aviation career, follow your dream . Won't be easy , but hey , as they say , "life has got to have a few drawbacks" !
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"Captain Anas" is no 50 year old. Textbook millennial. Rockin' the mighty 320.
I'm sorry but the link you gave completely undermines the position that social media can be professional. It makes the strongest case possible to the contrary.
That level of narcissism is a personality disorder.
I mean come on. How can anyone expect the profession to be taken seriously after five minutes at that link? What an embarrassment. The type of guy who back in the day would wear his RayBans and carry his David Clarks to the mall in the hopes someone would ask him "are you a pilot?". Taken to a whole different level.
I suppose it could become the next internet "thing". Seeking out THE worst, cheesiest, gag-inducing pilot self-loving selfie sites and rating them on their dubious criteria. EK already has Duchie and Barbie ready to compete.
I'm sorry but the link you gave completely undermines the position that social media can be professional. It makes the strongest case possible to the contrary.
That level of narcissism is a personality disorder.
I mean come on. How can anyone expect the profession to be taken seriously after five minutes at that link? What an embarrassment. The type of guy who back in the day would wear his RayBans and carry his David Clarks to the mall in the hopes someone would ask him "are you a pilot?". Taken to a whole different level.
I suppose it could become the next internet "thing". Seeking out THE worst, cheesiest, gag-inducing pilot self-loving selfie sites and rating them on their dubious criteria. EK already has Duchie and Barbie ready to compete.
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I hope we can fly together someday so I can really demonstrate with fervour...what "old farts" are really like...I'm not shy!
I should have stayed away from this conversation. I think I should go back to be a silent spectator. I really don't wish to have any association with you guys who think number of Pprune posts=more experience.
Good luck to all the young chaps out there. I am leaving soon anyways..so best of luck..
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Seaman Staynes,
Thanks. I have already done that, been recommended Air Japan/KAL/CAL/Lion Air upgrade/Fiji with my current experience. I don't have wide body time, and can't get it in my current outfit. The places I listed above are apparently all garbage. So you see why EK looks so attractive to people like us, even if only as a short term option. The opportunities out there are not good!! What the hell happened to aviation?
Thanks. I have already done that, been recommended Air Japan/KAL/CAL/Lion Air upgrade/Fiji with my current experience. I don't have wide body time, and can't get it in my current outfit. The places I listed above are apparently all garbage. So you see why EK looks so attractive to people like us, even if only as a short term option. The opportunities out there are not good!! What the hell happened to aviation?
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Air Japan has its share of issues like any other job out there but to describe it as "garbage" makes me think that you do need to research a little better....!
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Air Japan has its share of issues like any other job out there but to describe it as "garbage" makes me think that you do need to research a little better....!
Before you ask; I come here to keep abreast of the latest news and rumours, just in case there is a massive change of terms, conditions and management MO
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EK has its own Selfie fraternity, for example the Dutchy or the geezer who loves doing his flight prep in full uniform 
To be honest for most of us, we barf at it, but its todays generation, right or wrong. Just as long as they don't selfie when the engines are turning
Most companies see its as positive stuff despite what they tell us, its free and the young generation love it.
SyB
To be honest for most of us, we barf at it, but its todays generation, right or wrong. Just as long as they don't selfie when the engines are turning
Most companies see its as positive stuff despite what they tell us, its free and the young generation love it.
SyB