Stay away from Emirates. (EK)
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.... and i'm growing tired of the morons who work in aviation for less than dishing out burgers.
This job deserves people with good qualifications and it deserves to be remunerated accordingly with working conditions that enable to practice it until your retirement and deliver a good and safe product.
Anyone telling off pilots who want to keep this up in their outfit by lamenting about their own crap conditions should really simply go and dish out burgers.
This job deserves people with good qualifications and it deserves to be remunerated accordingly with working conditions that enable to practice it until your retirement and deliver a good and safe product.
Anyone telling off pilots who want to keep this up in their outfit by lamenting about their own crap conditions should really simply go and dish out burgers.
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Just popped in to say hi, and it would appear either a management Costa whalla has posted, or worse a professional pilot who puts money above fatigue, health and of course by inference...safety.
Sealear, you sir deserve a prize for the dumbest post of the day....an all expenses paid trip to the proctologist....to remove your own head.
Sealear, you sir deserve a prize for the dumbest post of the day....an all expenses paid trip to the proctologist....to remove your own head.
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Sealear. Mate. Why don't you try see hear? Read the posts. Many tens of them. Do tell us what qualifies you to comment about the "moaners?" They are truth tellers. Unlike EK Management.
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Do you know the cost of living in DXB?
You may make half the money but DXB is probably twice as expensive.
Do you know the cost of Schooling in DXB?
You may also know that EK can vary the cost and amounts they give you with no reference to your contract. You may be MASSIVELY out of pocket.
Do you know about the Labour Law (or lack of) in DXB?
You may know you have no protection at all here. Zero.
Do yourself a big favour, if you are not a troll, and come here and cost up your monthly outgoings and see what income you need to enjoy what you currently have.
T's and C's heading south in our industry....
Anyway, all the best in whatever decision you make....
You may make half the money but DXB is probably twice as expensive.
Do you know the cost of Schooling in DXB?
You may also know that EK can vary the cost and amounts they give you with no reference to your contract. You may be MASSIVELY out of pocket.
Do you know about the Labour Law (or lack of) in DXB?
You may know you have no protection at all here. Zero.
Do yourself a big favour, if you are not a troll, and come here and cost up your monthly outgoings and see what income you need to enjoy what you currently have.
T's and C's heading south in our industry....
Anyway, all the best in whatever decision you make....
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Lets be honest, emotions are, understandably, running high on both sides of this argument.
Without doubt the T+Cs at EK have nosedived consistently for as long as I have been with EK, 10 yrs, however, those of us in situ can only relay our take on current events, we cannot know what factors are effecting those who still find the idea of EK attractive.
Mrs A and I have financed our children through University and beyond, plus all the other financial commitments associated with transitioning children to independent adults. Primarily thanks to the money paid by EK on the 26th of each month.
HOWEVER, the price that I( and all the other EK Pilots) have physically paid is significant. Leading to Mrs A and me making the required plans to try and "stop the rot" physically.
I do not wish to belittle those who currently fly short haul multisector days, however, the physical effect on one's body's rhythms of multi time zone changes is staggering.
A quick look at the Zombies waiting for transport in Arrivals gives an inkling.
There is, as far as I am aware, no other carrier operating the same roster structure as EK and as such we are in uncharted territory with regards the long term effects of this type of rostered flying.
To those who are tempted, just like every other decision made in aviation, get the facts and make an objective call.
Safe flying guys and gals, sometimes there are things more important than money,
Without doubt the T+Cs at EK have nosedived consistently for as long as I have been with EK, 10 yrs, however, those of us in situ can only relay our take on current events, we cannot know what factors are effecting those who still find the idea of EK attractive.
Mrs A and I have financed our children through University and beyond, plus all the other financial commitments associated with transitioning children to independent adults. Primarily thanks to the money paid by EK on the 26th of each month.
HOWEVER, the price that I( and all the other EK Pilots) have physically paid is significant. Leading to Mrs A and me making the required plans to try and "stop the rot" physically.
I do not wish to belittle those who currently fly short haul multisector days, however, the physical effect on one's body's rhythms of multi time zone changes is staggering.
A quick look at the Zombies waiting for transport in Arrivals gives an inkling.
There is, as far as I am aware, no other carrier operating the same roster structure as EK and as such we are in uncharted territory with regards the long term effects of this type of rostered flying.
To those who are tempted, just like every other decision made in aviation, get the facts and make an objective call.
Safe flying guys and gals, sometimes there are things more important than money,
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Sealer,
It is not that simple. People can't "just leave". It takes about 2 years to financially break even, after moving your family out here. Then another two years to save enough to move back. Forget about the 5 year training bond. As an FO with kids you will not pocket any $ in the first 4 years in Dubai. So when people get here and realize they don't like they are stuck for the next 4-5 years. Yes there are those that like it. There are those that hate it. But if you hate it, there is very little you can do about it for quite some time. Also remember things ARE GETTING WORSE not better. Your comments are incredibly naive, and I suspect justifiably so.
It is not that simple. People can't "just leave". It takes about 2 years to financially break even, after moving your family out here. Then another two years to save enough to move back. Forget about the 5 year training bond. As an FO with kids you will not pocket any $ in the first 4 years in Dubai. So when people get here and realize they don't like they are stuck for the next 4-5 years. Yes there are those that like it. There are those that hate it. But if you hate it, there is very little you can do about it for quite some time. Also remember things ARE GETTING WORSE not better. Your comments are incredibly naive, and I suspect justifiably so.
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Sealer.....
Hey if the job and rewards look so attractive why don't you apply?
You'll love it.....
Don't worry about being demoted, trying to get a command, or sharing your problems with management.
It's not as bad as the people on here say.
Hell you'll probably be on the new and improved higher pay contract..... win win
Hey if the job and rewards look so attractive why don't you apply?
You'll love it.....
Don't worry about being demoted, trying to get a command, or sharing your problems with management.
It's not as bad as the people on here say.
Hell you'll probably be on the new and improved higher pay contract..... win win
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I'm growing tired of these posts..... it makes me wonder what percentage of the pilot group at EK shares the same feelings. You would know better than me, I suppose. But here is how I see it. I fly a narrow body. I make about half of what an EK FO makes and I pay tax in two countries on that money. No pension. No free housing or utilities allowance. Command prospect? Nope. Transfer to a better base? Nope. Can the wife work here? Yep, but pay is disgusting.
So yeah, EK looks good from here. 100k USD tax free plus flight pay, pension, accommodation, jobs available for the wife in her industry and tax free too. Good for young guys with no family, smash out the flying, save some $$ and give up the career when you have had enough and do something else for a living. It isn't for everyone obviously, but if you hate it so much then consider giving your FO slot to someone else who might appreciate it a bit more!
So yeah, EK looks good from here. 100k USD tax free plus flight pay, pension, accommodation, jobs available for the wife in her industry and tax free too. Good for young guys with no family, smash out the flying, save some $$ and give up the career when you have had enough and do something else for a living. It isn't for everyone obviously, but if you hate it so much then consider giving your FO slot to someone else who might appreciate it a bit more!
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It all went pear shaped for the pilot group when a certain gentleman by the name of LL left the building. The most helpful FM at EK, ever! This was just prior to 2008. They are still trying to find his replacement.
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I don't post much but my word do you pilots complain.
If your not happy then just leave!!!
If your not happy then just leave!!!
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Slug!! Why must I do that?? And no I'm not an Expat pilot.
Tell me I'm wrong?? All I read here is all you pilots complaining.
Wake up and smell the rose’s ,,,,things are not going to change unless you all just leave.
Tell me I'm wrong?? All I read here is all you pilots complaining.
Wake up and smell the rose’s ,,,,things are not going to change unless you all just leave.
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Hello gentlemen.
I feel very intimidated posting here but here goes ...
Basically I think I'm the guy you all hate, young 20 year old who dreams of flying for EK and doing everything possible at the lower ends of this industry to climb up and make that become a reality. Now I've read all the various threads and know exactly how the majority here feel about EK, and not only EK but the people who are joining with the background I currently have (young, free, willing to do anything to fly LH in the middle east, I would take any chance there be it QR or EY, but EK attracts me the most somehow and hoping my current route and building experience here takes me there.)
Anyway to cut a long story short. I'm on instagram, facebook etc and "follow" many emirates pilots. And they all seem to be having an absolute ball if I'm honest. I messaged one prominent Dutch person and queried him as to the negative claims and he brushed them off totally and said life there is what he imagined and more. My newsfeed is often awash with images of happy faces in all parts of the world, be it boarding speedboats to the hotel in Male or sitting at Boston Common taking the world in.
Bottom line is none of these people remotely reflect the idea of life I get of the place from these forums. And it is difficult to know what to believe. Would anyone here at least vouch for the happy lifestyle that is showed off by many of your colleagues on social media or is it total BS ? It really is confusing, I have a friend who himself is in a position to apply at the moment but he's put it on hold cos he, like me, can't figure what the hell is going on with the contradictions.
Thank you all,
I feel very intimidated posting here but here goes ...
Basically I think I'm the guy you all hate, young 20 year old who dreams of flying for EK and doing everything possible at the lower ends of this industry to climb up and make that become a reality. Now I've read all the various threads and know exactly how the majority here feel about EK, and not only EK but the people who are joining with the background I currently have (young, free, willing to do anything to fly LH in the middle east, I would take any chance there be it QR or EY, but EK attracts me the most somehow and hoping my current route and building experience here takes me there.)
Anyway to cut a long story short. I'm on instagram, facebook etc and "follow" many emirates pilots. And they all seem to be having an absolute ball if I'm honest. I messaged one prominent Dutch person and queried him as to the negative claims and he brushed them off totally and said life there is what he imagined and more. My newsfeed is often awash with images of happy faces in all parts of the world, be it boarding speedboats to the hotel in Male or sitting at Boston Common taking the world in.
Bottom line is none of these people remotely reflect the idea of life I get of the place from these forums. And it is difficult to know what to believe. Would anyone here at least vouch for the happy lifestyle that is showed off by many of your colleagues on social media or is it total BS ? It really is confusing, I have a friend who himself is in a position to apply at the moment but he's put it on hold cos he, like me, can't figure what the hell is going on with the contradictions.
Thank you all,
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Officer Kite
Unfortunately instagram and facebook users do not really represent the real airline world. It's like the bold and beautiful: Real people, but made up stories.
On the other hand you are definitely the future. Willing to do anything to fill the pockets of people who would themselves never do that much.
Not even touching the subject of competence .....
So all the best to you. Keep the blue side up.
Unfortunately instagram and facebook users do not really represent the real airline world. It's like the bold and beautiful: Real people, but made up stories.
On the other hand you are definitely the future. Willing to do anything to fill the pockets of people who would themselves never do that much.
Not even touching the subject of competence .....
So all the best to you. Keep the blue side up.
