Captain 330/340 transfer policy
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..mostly to keep the thread alive and fighting the so much "wanted" oblivion..
this is the status quo:
- 2 meetings attended: no tangible results, only promises : "we are going to talk to GCAA,we will talk to HR"; nothing on writing except a dry power point presentation,promised to be distributed ..guess what? we haven't received that yet either...
- guys attending extra PPCs and Hsim to keep currency, as no training slots are available for each one of us:
- no visibility on the future ;
- upgrading 380 FO RRT just at LRC or a couple flight before because they are younger then 35yo;
- 3 380 capts ( why only this 3 has to be explained to me..)have been RRF and put on company DAYOFF because they have < 2000 hrs EK 330/340 PIC...
PPrune is filling with trolls, "astroturfing" emails and PMs are circulating, pretty HR recruitment ladies are filling linkedin post with invitations to join, Jennifer is smiling at us from Y class ( surely thinking how much she got for this new commercial)....
things are going in the direction they were meant to go....down the drain hole...hello tomorrow.
this is the status quo:
- 2 meetings attended: no tangible results, only promises : "we are going to talk to GCAA,we will talk to HR"; nothing on writing except a dry power point presentation,promised to be distributed ..guess what? we haven't received that yet either...
- guys attending extra PPCs and Hsim to keep currency, as no training slots are available for each one of us:
- no visibility on the future ;
- upgrading 380 FO RRT just at LRC or a couple flight before because they are younger then 35yo;
- 3 380 capts ( why only this 3 has to be explained to me..)have been RRF and put on company DAYOFF because they have < 2000 hrs EK 330/340 PIC...
PPrune is filling with trolls, "astroturfing" emails and PMs are circulating, pretty HR recruitment ladies are filling linkedin post with invitations to join, Jennifer is smiling at us from Y class ( surely thinking how much she got for this new commercial)....
things are going in the direction they were meant to go....down the drain hole...hello tomorrow.
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Ok, I have to ask. What has the GCAA got to do with all of this? Is any of this a new GCAA requirement?
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That's what I thought.mwas just wondering about the comment from my CTWO.... "We will talk to the GCAA'
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great concerns has been expressed for being issued a A380 P2 license and logging P2; to avoid professional suicide we asked to log P1 with a RHS qualification on aP1 issued license, trying to obtain what the guys flying A319 have, or flying as cruise/relief/augmenting captain....
response was: WE Will talk to GCAA...
Hope now is more clear..
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Thanks...best of luck.
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If they have any brains they should order brand new A330-300 Regional/B789s.
Why screw pilots and use A380s (or B77Ws or B779s) on less than 4 hour routes guaranteed to bleed money heavily.
Even QR/SV showing rational in deploying right size aircraft, what happened to special skills world class airline management supposed to have.
Why screw pilots and use A380s (or B77Ws or B779s) on less than 4 hour routes guaranteed to bleed money heavily.
Even QR/SV showing rational in deploying right size aircraft, what happened to special skills world class airline management supposed to have.
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Key point , not a GCAA requirement. Logging of flight time is totally different. Also "we will talk to the GCAA" = go away , I'm too busy.
All this is EK's own doing , not the first time. Similar to the 310, but most that are effected by this have no history of those events.
All this is EK's own doing , not the first time. Similar to the 310, but most that are effected by this have no history of those events.
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Key point , not a GCAA requirement. Logging of flight time is totally different. Also "we will talk to the GCAA" = go away , I'm too busy.
All this is EK's own doing , not the first time. Similar to the 310, but most that are effected by this have no history of those events.
All this is EK's own doing , not the first time. Similar to the 310, but most that are effected by this have no history of those events.
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On something else you are rigth: other times.
In those "other times" these different pilots would never join a place like this, because they had a better job in a flag carrier in a first world country... too bad better pilots were here in the "Truman show "...
World economy shafted us... don't know you, but I fell like I have been shafted for the last 25 years.. must be my karma of a different kind of pilot.
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to avoid professional suicide
this is professional suicide, guys don't fall into their traps.
The only solution unfortunately seems to exit here asap.
And 18 months is a very long time considering the imagination of the costa muppets. More surprises can be expected during this time and I bet nothing good will come along.
this is professional suicide, guys don't fall into their traps.
The only solution unfortunately seems to exit here asap.
And 18 months is a very long time considering the imagination of the costa muppets. More surprises can be expected during this time and I bet nothing good will come along.
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even farther back than the 310, for your amusement
25 years ago the company had 3 727s which were about to be mothballed. The 15 or so FO's on that type were given no information about when they might transfer to the A310. Seeing numerous new-hires going straight to the A310 they became sufficiently concerned about their fate that they went in to query the plan.
The 'managment' at that time stated there was no plan for these 727 FOs, they would all be let go as it was obvious to 'management' that someone accustomed to flying something as crude as a 727 could not possibly make the giant leap to something as sophisticated as the A310. Management stated this in terms which made it clear that they were surprised that these FOs had such little understanding of their own personal limitations.
The 'managment' at that time stated there was no plan for these 727 FOs, they would all be let go as it was obvious to 'management' that someone accustomed to flying something as crude as a 727 could not possibly make the giant leap to something as sophisticated as the A310. Management stated this in terms which made it clear that they were surprised that these FOs had such little understanding of their own personal limitations.
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Big Geordie -
"Different times, different pilots. Same management".
Have to correct you on that - any decisions relating to pilots in those days were made by the then Manager-Flight Ops, an Irish gentleman not known for his people skills, and an English chap whose name now escapes me. Both departed EK many years ago. When the A310 was introduced, about 8/10 ex-Wardair Training Captains from Canada were hired for their 310 experience, one of whom, most definitely not known for his people skills, became head of Training and remained in that position until about 2003 if I recall correctly. These two made all the decisions and policies relating to pilots when the A310 was introduced.
The Management team who were there at the time all reported directly to Sir Maurice. (I believe there were about 12 departmental heads in total, all of whom had mere "Manager" titles, none of this VP/EVP etc stuff then). With the exception of Sir Tim, who had zero input to decisions affecting pilots until many years after the A310 was brought in, and the head of Inflight Services, all of those Managers were gone by 1999.
So - same management? Style perhaps, but individuals, definitely not.
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"Different times, different pilots. Same management".
Have to correct you on that - any decisions relating to pilots in those days were made by the then Manager-Flight Ops, an Irish gentleman not known for his people skills, and an English chap whose name now escapes me. Both departed EK many years ago. When the A310 was introduced, about 8/10 ex-Wardair Training Captains from Canada were hired for their 310 experience, one of whom, most definitely not known for his people skills, became head of Training and remained in that position until about 2003 if I recall correctly. These two made all the decisions and policies relating to pilots when the A310 was introduced.
The Management team who were there at the time all reported directly to Sir Maurice. (I believe there were about 12 departmental heads in total, all of whom had mere "Manager" titles, none of this VP/EVP etc stuff then). With the exception of Sir Tim, who had zero input to decisions affecting pilots until many years after the A310 was brought in, and the head of Inflight Services, all of those Managers were gone by 1999.
So - same management? Style perhaps, but individuals, definitely not.
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