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Captain 330/340 transfer policy

Old 3rd Oct 2016, 19:38
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Everyone with no idea seems to have an opinion about what's happening. So it must be my turn

This is what's going to happen.

The problem is the right seat of the 380. Aircraft keep coming and they need to fill the seats. Most of the new joiners, due lack of experience are going to the 777. So they have a few options to keep guys in the 380 right seat.
Step 1. Most of the 330 guys will go RHS 380.
Step 2. Put an age limit on 380 upgrades.
Step 3. Downgrade 380 captains who don't meet the new requirements.
Step 4. Bring the highly experienced 777 captains over to the 380

There will be further upgrades on the 380 if you meet the requirments. Any shortfall will be filled with 777 captains.
The 777 upgrade and new hire process will continue.

At some point there will be an announcement that the 380s are being converted to 350. With deliveries starting a couple years later. This will be done in a way to save face. It will be airbuses fault and will have nothing to do with the great management team. They would prefer 787 but they are stuck in a massive 380 order that they can't get out of other than converting to something else.

There will be winners and losers in this whole process. They don't care who is who.

That's what is going to happen. Or maybe not. I really don't know either.
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 19:59
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Originally Posted by CTWO View Post
well said.
...but we know our colleagues...what to do? it is not a ligthning if it doesn't strike your roof...

What are you implying specifically? That your colleagues won't do anything to help their brethren?

If that is your inference, what would you have any of them do?

No unions, no labour law of note and punitive management leaves little room for action. The only recourse, as noted by many, is stay or leave.
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Rather Be Skiing View Post
What are you implying specifically? That your colleagues won't do anything to help their brethren?

If that is your inference, what would you have any of them do?

No unions, no labour law of note and punitive management leaves little room for action. The only recourse, as noted by many, is stay or leave.
I am implying that while I am losing what I have worked so hard for , someone has the time to do "commentary " on 787 and 350 acquisition or still asking if this is really happening.
I have bad news for you: this is really happening and except for same very brave 330/340 FO no one stuck his neck out. That' s it.
Talking about resources , you are again talking about my resources , not yours.
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Old 4th Oct 2016, 21:41
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Why is it so hard for them to communicate with us?

Because they don't want, don't care and don't need to. They just want you get used to not communicate with you to train you to absorb more uncommunicated crap in the future.
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 09:07
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JA said recruitment is not a problem. Concidering the current state of the airline combined with other airlines as mentioned he may be correct.
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 09:29
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But there must be a limit to how many people we can take on before the training department is over loaded.....
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 12:49
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When has anyone admitted that recruitment was a problem? Or 'Oh guys were are drastically short of pilots please stay....'

Its all smoke and mirrors.....believe the opposite of what you hear
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 13:02
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
JA said recruitment is not a problem...
Sure, as long as they are able to lower the requirements.
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 13:50
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I have only one thing to say about this.
The jeopardy of going back to the RHS and then having to reapply for my command is, of course unacceptable.
It has been made perfectly clear that retention of those affected is at the bottom of the priority list.
Guys - there are plenty of jobs out there, not just Far East.
All I'm waiting for now is a contract then I'm off.
Can you imagine the CRM/Safety potential issues - two years down the line my Captain decides to do something questionable, with my career in his hands?
'I have control Captain' - no matter how hard you try to be a good soldier and bite your tongue your not going to let numpty spoil things are you?
For me, it's unthinkable to remain.
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Strapinfolks View Post
I have only one thing to say about this.
The jeopardy of going back to the RHS and then having to reapply for my command is, of course unacceptable.
It has been made perfectly clear that retention of those affected is at the bottom of the priority list.
Guys - there are plenty of jobs out there, not just Far East.
All I'm waiting for now is a contract then I'm off.
Can you imagine the CRM/Safety potential issues - two years down the line my Captain decides to do something questionable, with my career in his hands?
'I have control Captain' - no matter how hard you try to be a good soldier and bite your tongue your not going to let numpty spoil things are you?
For me, it's unthinkable to remain.
Easy CRM. Me Captain.....

Aside from that I think the whole issue is unbelievebly p1ssp00r management. Or lack thereof!

Do other departments get warning letters?
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 18:51
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on the note of warning letters...too bad the website of the illuminated has gone down. had a laugh reading those warning letters.

the treatment of staff and fellow colleagues on the other hand disgusts me. Never ever have I seen such a complete lack of respect for the work force.

Shocking what has come of the place.
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 19:22
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Anyone going to the meeting tomorrow morning? Wonder if they have any new information to share with us.....
Not wearing a suit this time!

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Old 5th Oct 2016, 19:31
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I am genuinely starting to wonder if CM is an agent from Qatar...
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 19:43
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What are their wide body DEC requirements?
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 19:55
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Originally Posted by electricdeathjet View Post
What are their wide body DEC requirements?
Just make sure you are on the 24th./25th in town. I assume the. Are more then happ to answer those questions....
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 20:24
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Originally Posted by electricdeathjet View Post
Anyone going to the meeting tomorrow morning? Wonder if they have any new information to share with us.....
Not wearing a suite this time!
Would that be a 3 piece suite , with matching curtains ?
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 06:12
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Haha touché
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 08:40
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post
Just make sure you are on the 24th./25th in town. I assume the. Are more then happ to answer those questions....
Would you care to elaborate...
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 08:50
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Originally Posted by CTWO View Post
Would you care to elaborate...
Sure.... http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/58...how-dubai.html
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 15:26
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Finally a clear and concise FCI effective immediately in the interests of safety outlining the Left to Right Policy.

The A380 Navigation Bag is to be relocated from the Left to the right side of the Flightdeck.

Just waiting for the Age Limit, Downgrade, and Hours Requirement Policy now. Not holding my breath.
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