Does anyone actually like it out here anymore?
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Harry uses all the benefits of coming from the 1st world country gained by exploiting 3rd world countries. But hey, he helps 3rd world people. He gives them a bottle of water in return. And allows them to use the toilet.
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Unfortunately, we are not going to fix those social issues mentioned by xhamster.
Enjoy your life, Harry and let others express themselves. The world needs people able to see and tell the truth.
Unless you are a management troll. In that case, keep doing your job, you are doing it well.
If you were really happy with where you are, you wouldn't be constantly trying to discredit your disputants here. Instead you would be enjoying your life.
Anyway, you never say anything constructive. You always admit there are problems, but you never propose the solutions, except pathetic and false ones like "give them water, pay them phone bill". Ergo - you are a troll. A good one.
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Hats off to to you Xhamster
Paraphrasing - You went from being a man of compassion to the laborer (eh ...briefly) , to being a bigot to the "Pakis" , "the Filipinos" " the smelly Muslims"
And right back to -" fair enough I didn't do my due diligence - didn't know it was that hot - didn't know there were that many mosques." And quite frankly came across as not knowing a whole lot.
Yada yada yada
I mean at least you admit - YOU Phuket up royally
Refreshing
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Paraphrasing - You went from being a man of compassion to the laborer (eh ...briefly) , to being a bigot to the "Pakis" , "the Filipinos" " the smelly Muslims"
And right back to -" fair enough I didn't do my due diligence - didn't know it was that hot - didn't know there were that many mosques." And quite frankly came across as not knowing a whole lot.
Yada yada yada
I mean at least you admit - YOU Phuket up royally
Refreshing
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Appreciate the response, measured unlike some. I'll retract my accusation of you being disrespectful. Perhaps it was lost amongst all the other negativities so the benefit of the doubt is with you! As I said, I don't disagree with some of the problems you mention, they effect as all in varying degrees. Ultimately it boils down to your own personal circumstances and whether we accept the UAE for what it is. I assume you're referring to AD and the 'unmentionable" as you mention narrow body. If so, then your circumstances and surroundings differed from those in Dubai and you may well have had a bigger **** stick to handle. And for the record, JESS is a non profit making school, unlike GEMS.
As Neektu states, we learn to deal with the frustrations by recognising the triggers and then trying to avoid them. Being flashed from behind? Stay away from the outer lane. 300 smelly shoes?, can't say I've ever been that up close and personal .....you get the drift. We can't avoid all the triggers, granted, and when they become the major stressors, that's the time to leave. Sadly, many are doing just that. Not so much because of Dubai, but more the combination of all you mention along with a dysfunctional, egotistical, incompetent and rudderless management that holds little confidence for a bright future.
So, while I don't have a problem with living here per say, I do have a concern with my employer.
Harry
Appreciate the response, measured unlike some. I'll retract my accusation of you being disrespectful. Perhaps it was lost amongst all the other negativities so the benefit of the doubt is with you! As I said, I don't disagree with some of the problems you mention, they effect as all in varying degrees. Ultimately it boils down to your own personal circumstances and whether we accept the UAE for what it is. I assume you're referring to AD and the 'unmentionable" as you mention narrow body. If so, then your circumstances and surroundings differed from those in Dubai and you may well have had a bigger **** stick to handle. And for the record, JESS is a non profit making school, unlike GEMS.
As Neektu states, we learn to deal with the frustrations by recognising the triggers and then trying to avoid them. Being flashed from behind? Stay away from the outer lane. 300 smelly shoes?, can't say I've ever been that up close and personal .....you get the drift. We can't avoid all the triggers, granted, and when they become the major stressors, that's the time to leave. Sadly, many are doing just that. Not so much because of Dubai, but more the combination of all you mention along with a dysfunctional, egotistical, incompetent and rudderless management that holds little confidence for a bright future.
So, while I don't have a problem with living here per say, I do have a concern with my employer.
Harry
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Harry. For the record JESS has a huge EK involvement. Not for profit yet no accounts published. Two EK guys on the board. Another member is married to an EK safety guy. Many current and ex parents wondering if EK use fees of non EK staff to at the very least subsidise what EK pay. GEMS has Sheikh Mohammed as its sponsor. Rumours he takes 30% profit. Both you and hamster have valid points.Enjoyed my time there but glad I left.
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Interesting and relatively measured debate.
For anyone reading this who does not live out here but is considering the move, please visit before resigning from your current employer. Visit in the Summer when life is not so good, be under no illusion what you are walking into. Don't get me wrong, there will always be surprises out here because just when you think you have seen everything someone reminds you ...........you have definitely not!
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For anyone reading this who does not live out here but is considering the move, please visit before resigning from your current employer. Visit in the Summer when life is not so good, be under no illusion what you are walking into. Don't get me wrong, there will always be surprises out here because just when you think you have seen everything someone reminds you ...........you have definitely not!
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Traffic, traffic and more traffic. Number of cars registered in the last eight years have doubled. And then there are those "individuals" with a certain type of window dressing that really do "own" the road. Please do not impede their progress or you will have a fancy German/Italian/gigantic white SUV less than a meter distance from your rear flashing his lights to let you know you are not as important as he. Drive on the roads at night at your own peril. And remember the road engineers have a motto when designing the road system, "you can't get there from here".
That's what I have learned to love as a result of living here, my driving skills and reaction times and situational awareness has increased dramatically. Oh, I did forget to mention those that love to drive 140 while texting....but that's a world wide issue. Then again you get to see first hand members of the Darwin Awards, i.e.,those who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by "selecting" themselves out of the gene pool by their actions on the highways.
That's what I have learned to love as a result of living here, my driving skills and reaction times and situational awareness has increased dramatically. Oh, I did forget to mention those that love to drive 140 while texting....but that's a world wide issue. Then again you get to see first hand members of the Darwin Awards, i.e.,those who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by "selecting" themselves out of the gene pool by their actions on the highways.
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No it was not a 'kiss ass' post as you put it. It was a mere statement from myself that we, as a family, enjoy it out here. Many don't agree, but what are they all doing out here, they all knew the deal when they signed up, 5 years is a long dam time!
I see people every day, and so does everyone else here, complain and moan about everything, but they signed up for it, they chose to Come here, nobody put a gun to anyone's head, yet they moan about it thinking something will change!
Again, it wasn't a 'kiss ass' post, yet a mere question if there was anyone, like us, that still enjoys it out here?!
No it was not a 'kiss ass' post as you put it. It was a mere statement from myself that we, as a family, enjoy it out here. Many don't agree, but what are they all doing out here, they all knew the deal when they signed up, 5 years is a long dam time!
I see people every day, and so does everyone else here, complain and moan about everything, but they signed up for it, they chose to Come here, nobody put a gun to anyone's head, yet they moan about it thinking something will change!
Again, it wasn't a 'kiss ass' post, yet a mere question if there was anyone, like us, that still enjoys it out here?!
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It seems to me that for some people out there b*tching and complaining is some sort of a way of life. For some of them, it's how they vent, and that's okay it's just who they are. For others, they'll complain no matter what. As an example, flying back from Australia the other day on the 777, I can't think of something the guy next to me did not complain about for the entire flight back to Abu Dhabi, including the roster which is arguably the best 777 roster in the region today.
Others try and see the filled half of the glass and concentrate on that only for their own benefit and maintaining sanity, maybe because the only one harmed by this attitude is you and the people around you. Not management, they most certainly don't give a sh*t how you feel. Just You.
I'm sure it has been said before here many times but it's up to the individual at the end to be happy, and if that means resigning, then that's exactly what you should do. Life's too short to rant and complain all the time.
I don't think it was a kiss-ass post and i also agree with hamster about everything said for the most part.
Others try and see the filled half of the glass and concentrate on that only for their own benefit and maintaining sanity, maybe because the only one harmed by this attitude is you and the people around you. Not management, they most certainly don't give a sh*t how you feel. Just You.
I'm sure it has been said before here many times but it's up to the individual at the end to be happy, and if that means resigning, then that's exactly what you should do. Life's too short to rant and complain all the time.
I don't think it was a kiss-ass post and i also agree with hamster about everything said for the most part.
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It seems to me that for some people out there b*tching and complaining is some sort of a way of life. For some of them, it's how they vent, and that's okay it's just who they are. For others, they'll complain no matter what. As an example, flying back from Australia the other day on the 777, I can't think of something the guy next to me did not complain about for the entire flight back to Abu Dhabi, including the roster which is arguably the best 777 roster in the region today.
Others try and see the filled half of the glass and concentrate on that only for their own benefit and maintaining sanity, maybe because the only one harmed by this attitude is you and the people around you. Not management, they most certainly don't give a sh*t how you feel. Just You.
I'm sure it has been said before here many times but it's up to the individual at the end to be happy, and if that means resigning, then that's exactly what you should do. Life's too short to rant and complain all the time.
I don't think it was a kiss-ass post and i also agree with hamster about everything said for the most part.
Others try and see the filled half of the glass and concentrate on that only for their own benefit and maintaining sanity, maybe because the only one harmed by this attitude is you and the people around you. Not management, they most certainly don't give a sh*t how you feel. Just You.
I'm sure it has been said before here many times but it's up to the individual at the end to be happy, and if that means resigning, then that's exactly what you should do. Life's too short to rant and complain all the time.
I don't think it was a kiss-ass post and i also agree with hamster about everything said for the most part.
Life is what you make of it at the end of the day, WE are happy here at the end of the day and that's all I really care about!
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OMAAbound, congratulations on passing the assessment and good luck with the upgrade.
The thing is, many people do end up in UAE only to find that life is much more difficult and/or depressive then what was expected. You can be caught up in this without realising it until it's too late. Fatiguing rosters and frustration from company related issues certainly does not help. I had to laugh when the government opened up a ministry for happiness or whatever it's called! I do believe many people are sucked into the ME3 believing that only the depressive fools have a hard time dealing with life over there, but I beg to differ. The fact that a lot of information about AUH airline is no longer accessible via this forum, and the fact that the airline in the past has gone to court and hunted down those who bad-mouthed them on the forum, tends to shut a lot of their pilots' mouths, therefore making it hard for a wannabe to seek opinions and experiences of the place or airline via the forum.
Whilst I wasn't complaining or moaning as I have no need to, I was putting what came to mind about general day to day life experience in the UAE onto keyboard in a direct and raw manner. I do hope it benefits some by making them think a little bit harder and therefore research more about life in UAE before uprooting themselves and the family to come here. I do apologise if some people took this the wrong way and it by no means was a racially prejudiced attack on anyone. If that's how some people want to take it, good for them and I couldn't give a sh*t anyway. But everything said was based on my experience and judging by other responses, other people's experience also.
And sometimes it's just NOT what they signed up for. Look at the latest 330/340 Captains now going to right seat of a 380 debacle that is happening at EK - just another classic example.
I do agree that many moaners complain yet won't get off their ass and do something to actively change their status - these people are definitely annoying.
Interesting to see EK's advert for pilots showing a picture of young punk sand-boarding...oh how times have changed! and someone hit the nail on the head in a previous post about who they are now targetting. The young punk will most likely not have a wife or family, and will tend to place a higher value on the importance of that shiny white jet than some of the quality of life issues that a more mature audience will think is more important. Yes guys you can go sandboarding or dune bashing on your days off - but this and other hobbies is not a measure or factor in quality of life. It's merely a hobby in which you can do in UAE. The fact that the EK pilot recruitment uses this in their advert again makes me laugh. Come on guys, you are looking for professional pilots, your not selling lifestyle or quality of life here - don't even try, it's an insult.
The thing is, many people do end up in UAE only to find that life is much more difficult and/or depressive then what was expected. You can be caught up in this without realising it until it's too late. Fatiguing rosters and frustration from company related issues certainly does not help. I had to laugh when the government opened up a ministry for happiness or whatever it's called! I do believe many people are sucked into the ME3 believing that only the depressive fools have a hard time dealing with life over there, but I beg to differ. The fact that a lot of information about AUH airline is no longer accessible via this forum, and the fact that the airline in the past has gone to court and hunted down those who bad-mouthed them on the forum, tends to shut a lot of their pilots' mouths, therefore making it hard for a wannabe to seek opinions and experiences of the place or airline via the forum.
Whilst I wasn't complaining or moaning as I have no need to, I was putting what came to mind about general day to day life experience in the UAE onto keyboard in a direct and raw manner. I do hope it benefits some by making them think a little bit harder and therefore research more about life in UAE before uprooting themselves and the family to come here. I do apologise if some people took this the wrong way and it by no means was a racially prejudiced attack on anyone. If that's how some people want to take it, good for them and I couldn't give a sh*t anyway. But everything said was based on my experience and judging by other responses, other people's experience also.
And sometimes it's just NOT what they signed up for. Look at the latest 330/340 Captains now going to right seat of a 380 debacle that is happening at EK - just another classic example.
I do agree that many moaners complain yet won't get off their ass and do something to actively change their status - these people are definitely annoying.
Interesting to see EK's advert for pilots showing a picture of young punk sand-boarding...oh how times have changed! and someone hit the nail on the head in a previous post about who they are now targetting. The young punk will most likely not have a wife or family, and will tend to place a higher value on the importance of that shiny white jet than some of the quality of life issues that a more mature audience will think is more important. Yes guys you can go sandboarding or dune bashing on your days off - but this and other hobbies is not a measure or factor in quality of life. It's merely a hobby in which you can do in UAE. The fact that the EK pilot recruitment uses this in their advert again makes me laugh. Come on guys, you are looking for professional pilots, your not selling lifestyle or quality of life here - don't even try, it's an insult.
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I do agree that guys don't come into it without their eyes open and not having done any research on it before, and for many westerners the lure of "tax-free" & "shiny jet syndrome" suck many in. They'll look at the money and go "WOW, I could save loads of that!" Sadly those days of a quick cash fix have gone, it damn well isn't possible, especially if one has a family. We've been out here coming up to 4 years and we've maybe save around 20k AED. But, again, money wasn't the reason we moved.
If you know what your putting yourself in beforehand, I fully agree people don't do thorough research before hand (I mean come on, there's a guy asking if EK will chase him for his bond if he leaves before 5 years in another post)
As for the complete utter debacle that's going on with the 330/340 guys at EK, there's nothing a raving lunatic American with and half an hour in the EKHQ couldn't fix, there plenty in there that need taking out!
But like I've said, do your research, make it what is it, and hopefully, like us, more will/can enjoy it out here and we'll have less of the moaning toss pots!
I do agree that guys don't come into it without their eyes open and not having done any research on it before, and for many westerners the lure of "tax-free" & "shiny jet syndrome" suck many in. They'll look at the money and go "WOW, I could save loads of that!" Sadly those days of a quick cash fix have gone, it damn well isn't possible, especially if one has a family. We've been out here coming up to 4 years and we've maybe save around 20k AED. But, again, money wasn't the reason we moved.
If you know what your putting yourself in beforehand, I fully agree people don't do thorough research before hand (I mean come on, there's a guy asking if EK will chase him for his bond if he leaves before 5 years in another post)
As for the complete utter debacle that's going on with the 330/340 guys at EK, there's nothing a raving lunatic American with and half an hour in the EKHQ couldn't fix, there plenty in there that need taking out!
But like I've said, do your research, make it what is it, and hopefully, like us, more will/can enjoy it out here and we'll have less of the moaning toss pots!
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@xhamster
I do agree that guys don't come into it without their eyes open and not having done any research on it before, and for many westerners the lure of "tax-free" & "shiny jet syndrome" suck many in. They'll look at the money and go "WOW, I could save loads of that!" Sadly those days of a quick cash fix have gone, it damn well isn't possible, especially if one has a family. We've been out here coming up to 4 years and we've maybe save around 20k AED. But, again, money wasn't the reason we moved.
I do agree that guys don't come into it without their eyes open and not having done any research on it before, and for many westerners the lure of "tax-free" & "shiny jet syndrome" suck many in. They'll look at the money and go "WOW, I could save loads of that!" Sadly those days of a quick cash fix have gone, it damn well isn't possible, especially if one has a family. We've been out here coming up to 4 years and we've maybe save around 20k AED. But, again, money wasn't the reason we moved.
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Reading this post with great interest, would be very appreciative of pm's with info on how things are at the unmentionable.
In particular about the education and rent allowance and as a family of 4 (kids 3 and 6) how tight things would be on FO salary.
Many Thanks
In particular about the education and rent allowance and as a family of 4 (kids 3 and 6) how tight things would be on FO salary.
Many Thanks
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Stay away. Don't get attracted by Education and house allowance it's all eye wash. Even labours get accommodation in Dubai because we all r expats, so nothing extra ordinary which EK is doing. School tuition fee goes up every year and good schools fee are more than EK Allowance
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Ek roster?
Are we talking about EK? I have 3 days off in a 22 day stretch. That's a disgrace as far as I'm concerned.
