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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:11
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[QUOTE I was flabbergasted to see that pushing thrust levers forward is not part of the go-around procedure..........and FMA annunciations not made. Right there are 2 things that could have avoided this


Pushing thrust levers forward and reading the FMA has always been part of all Boeing go-around procedures. Anyone thinking or saying that it has not been, has not been paying attention.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:17
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[QUOTE=Monarch ManWhilst on my 777 transition course at EK many years ago I made it known to anyone who would listen that over reliance on AT would end badly, I was ostensibly told to shut up as I knew nothing about how wonderful the EK training machine was.

I can’t agree with you more as I received the same treatment for voicing my concern. Before the T7, I flew the 744 for 9 years and there it was manual flight = manual for thrust! Keeping the AT on during manual flight makes you lazy and complacent!
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:26
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Originally Posted by 14 6
[QUOTE I was flabbergasted to see that pushing thrust levers forward is not part of the go-around procedure..........and FMA annunciations not made. Right there are 2 things that could have avoided this


Pushing thrust levers forward and reading the FMA has always been part of all Boeing go-around procedures. Anyone thinking or saying that it has not been, has not been paying attention.
That's not what the accident report says.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
That's not what the accident report says.
Thats why I say someone has not been paying attention!

I have been flying Boeing since 1994 and under no circumstance has any instructor or manual ever suggested that you press a button and wait in order to do a go-around. Maybe the key to the riddle is that this was at other operators.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 13:49
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Originally Posted by 14 6


Pushing thrust levers forward and reading the FMA has always been part of all Boeing go-around procedures. Anyone thinking or saying that it has not been, has not been paying attention.
Just out of interest I just compared the 767 Go-Around Procedure with the 777 and the wording in both is identical:

Pilot Flying - At the same time:
push the TO/GA switch
call "FLAPS 20"

Pilot Monitoring - Position the flap lever to 20

Both - Verify:
the rotation to go-around attitude
that the thrust increases

Pilot Monitoring - Verify that the thrust is sufficient for the go-around or adjust as needed
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 13:40
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The report mentions crew block hours in 90 days but no mention of 28 days which is odd.
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Excellent posts by Monarch Man and 146. I like to think that there is light at the end of the tunnel in that pilots are now trying to fly manually a bit more. But in the regaining of long lost skills, such as the basic scan, infringements are going to occur . Punitive action is applied. The corrected pilot will engage the autopilot even earlier! The light at the end of the tunnel was a train.
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