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EK recruitment advertise that a pilot can now join Emirates with experience of aircraft with a mtow as little as 10 T. Australian media having named the FO , indicated that he's been in the company less than a year.
With moving to Dub, grd exams and type training taking up to 4-6 months, the likelihood is that hes not experienced on type .
Is he an ex 10T -20T bug smasher or someone with 3000 hours jet , the minimum EK asked for prior to drastically lowering required experience levels?
With moving to Dub, grd exams and type training taking up to 4-6 months, the likelihood is that hes not experienced on type .
Is he an ex 10T -20T bug smasher or someone with 3000 hours jet , the minimum EK asked for prior to drastically lowering required experience levels?
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Along with the Australian FO's name being released in the Aussia media, they also varyingly mentioned he was either on loan from, or just simply ex-RedRat.
It'll be interesting as you have a local skipper involved as to where/if blame gets apportioned, as it seems you have similar affirmative action/local protections as seems to occur in HK.
A while ago, one of our local captains banged the tail out of AKL, and flew back to HK. A common thought emerged was that if it had been an expat, he'd have been out of a job, as it was, he retained his command, which surprised many having displayed questionable command ability.
An absolutely awesomely great job by your cabin crew, in the face of both surprise at what they were faced with, and the muppets collecting their baggage.
It'll be interesting as you have a local skipper involved as to where/if blame gets apportioned, as it seems you have similar affirmative action/local protections as seems to occur in HK.
A while ago, one of our local captains banged the tail out of AKL, and flew back to HK. A common thought emerged was that if it had been an expat, he'd have been out of a job, as it was, he retained his command, which surprised many having displayed questionable command ability.
An absolutely awesomely great job by your cabin crew, in the face of both surprise at what they were faced with, and the muppets collecting their baggage.
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WIFOFOZ.
Its quite understandable that you have chosen to support your employer EK.If it looks like swiss cheese, smells like swiss cheese even feels like swiss cheese, maybe it IS swiss cheese? Many of us on the outside looking in and in regular contact with EK pilots have been hearing scary horror stories about what goes on at EK for a very long time, around 20 years in some cases.I wont join in the instant assessment of this ACCIDENT (it certainly is not an incident), but the holes have been lining up for a long time and if EK doesnt take serious remedial action for its systemic issues, other accidents are simply inevitable.Peter.
Its quite understandable that you have chosen to support your employer EK.If it looks like swiss cheese, smells like swiss cheese even feels like swiss cheese, maybe it IS swiss cheese? Many of us on the outside looking in and in regular contact with EK pilots have been hearing scary horror stories about what goes on at EK for a very long time, around 20 years in some cases.I wont join in the instant assessment of this ACCIDENT (it certainly is not an incident), but the holes have been lining up for a long time and if EK doesnt take serious remedial action for its systemic issues, other accidents are simply inevitable.Peter.
Is he an ex 10T -20T bug smasher or someone with 3000 hours jet , the minimum EK asked for prior to drastically lowering required experience levels?
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"He would have many many thousands of hours"
Reported statement by EK Chairman soon after the event quoted combined total flying hours of both Capt and FO as 7000, and as the EK Command minimum is, or used to be, 5500 total - maybe not.
Reported statement by EK Chairman soon after the event quoted combined total flying hours of both Capt and FO as 7000, and as the EK Command minimum is, or used to be, 5500 total - maybe not.
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As usual, people don't read the statements carefully. What the Chairman actually said was, and I quote;
"Both of our pilots are well experienced - they each have over 7000 flying hours to their credit."
The key word was EACH!!!!!
So let's leave the experience levels of our pilots for other rumour threads eh?
"Both of our pilots are well experienced - they each have over 7000 flying hours to their credit."
The key word was EACH!!!!!
So let's leave the experience levels of our pilots for other rumour threads eh?
WIFOFOZ.
Its quite understandable that you have chosen to support your employer EK
Its quite understandable that you have chosen to support your employer EK
The truth is sufficiently damning without the need for embellishment.
EK is my employer for another 28 days, so I hardly have a vested interest, but I dislike wildly inaccurate posts about fellow pilots.
Both of our pilots are well experienced - they each have over 7000 flying hours to their credit
Not for the first time.
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To anyone who may know the 2 pilots involved, please tell them not to attend any meetings with ANYONE without a friend/colleague/fellow pilot/fellow countryman sitting at their side, if for nothing else mutual support. I don't know what management will provide for them, but they need to take care of themselves as all the other stakeholders will be defending their turf and unfortunately, I am not sure the cockpit crew will have anyone watching their backs.
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AFAP overseas membership costs AUD330 per year PJ.
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One imagines the CVR & FDR / QAR are all fully intact and that the data from all sources has already been downloaded & synchronised and is presently being (or has already been) analysed in fine detail.
It's highly likely that it will all have be imported into some simulation software, wherein the full sequence of events (of who did what; who said what; and how the aircraft was reacting to the atmospheric and pilot / auto-flight inputs) will be laid bare.
Whilst the data will reveal all, whether or not Emirates and / or the GCAA (for either of those read that as 'Dubai Government') will reveal the true circumstances, is something of conjecture ?!
It's highly likely that it will all have be imported into some simulation software, wherein the full sequence of events (of who did what; who said what; and how the aircraft was reacting to the atmospheric and pilot / auto-flight inputs) will be laid bare.
Whilst the data will reveal all, whether or not Emirates and / or the GCAA (for either of those read that as 'Dubai Government') will reveal the true circumstances, is something of conjecture ?!
It's EK / Middle East so the pilots will be hung out to dry. We all know that's not the true cause of the accident but the Arabians have no interest in blaming themselves. Case closed I guess. Moderator, you can lock this topic 
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One problem with the above statement...the Captain is a local.
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Consider also the similarities of this crash with the flydubai crash, i.e. up all night, then WS at destination... uhm, did someone say the 'F'(atigue) word, surely not?!.... "It's all legal !"
And of course, if the Captain's a 'local', then it's surely a case of insha'Allah !
And of course, if the Captain's a 'local', then it's surely a case of insha'Allah !
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One imagines the CVR & FDR / QAR are all fully intact and that the data from all sources has already been downloaded & synchronised and is presently being (or has already been) analysed in fine detail.
It's highly likely that it will all have be imported into some simulation software, wherein the full sequence of events (of who did what; who said what; and how the aircraft was reacting to the atmospheric and pilot / auto-flight inputs) will be laid bare.
Whilst the data will reveal all, whether or not Emirates and / or the GCAA (for either of those read that as 'Dubai Government') will reveal the true circumstances, is something of conjecture ?!
It's highly likely that it will all have be imported into some simulation software, wherein the full sequence of events (of who did what; who said what; and how the aircraft was reacting to the atmospheric and pilot / auto-flight inputs) will be laid bare.
Whilst the data will reveal all, whether or not Emirates and / or the GCAA (for either of those read that as 'Dubai Government') will reveal the true circumstances, is something of conjecture ?!