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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 23:33
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Originally Posted by T54A
But it doesn’t answer the question.
Because you will never know…. The snapshot of upgrade times at time of joining has little bearing of what your upgrade time will be. At any given time the economic conditions in some part of the world could produce an unending supply of highly experienced DEC applicants potentially delaying your upgrade for years. Equally likely some operational incident will precipitate a kneejerk change of requirements for command arbitrary adding a decades wait for people that were less than a year away from the command course. Now with all of that I will yet again invite you to reread what Outlaw wrote several years ago because it applies equally today! Best of luck!
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 12:51
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Originally Posted by T54A
What is the current timeline and process for experienced F/O's joining now to left seat upgrade?
as a local said once:“you are not here for the money, or the joy and pleasure, you are here to be part of the history“
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 12:52
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Originally Posted by T54A
What is the current timeline and process for experienced F/O's joining now to left seat upgrade?
How long is a piece of string?
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Old 6th Oct 2023, 17:46
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Around 6-7 years based on a DOJ around 2018.

if you joined today perhaps plan on 10 years worst case scenario…
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 12:41
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What about the accelerated command avenue? False promise to lure potential FO’s??
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 20:43
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Originally Posted by AviatoR21
What about the accelerated command avenue? False promise to lure potential FO’s??
Always is….. it was also nice in the past when DEC candidates would resign their previous jobs then move their families to Dubai only to find out the DEC course requirements had changed and they were now joining as a First Officer or not joining at all!
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 08:42
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Can someone share the trainers black list?
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 07:56
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I will try and put things into perspective. In the space of three years, we have gone from mass redundancies, to now having insufficient FOs with experience to promote on the 380. In turn, this has led to the pending arrival of DECs.

If that doesn’t indicate how futile it is to predict time to command, I don’t know what would.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
I will try and put things into perspective. In the space of three years, we have gone from mass redundancies, to now having insufficient FOs with experience to promote on the 380. In turn, this has led to the pending arrival of DECs.

If that doesn’t indicate how futile it is to predict time to command, I don’t know what would.
the question s why is it that they don’t have enough FO qualified with experience - and the answer is very simple - most of them have not been called back to rejoin.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 12:45
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Originally Posted by T54A
What is the current timeline and process for experienced F/O's joining now to left seat upgrade?
Average has been 4 years on both fleets for as long as I can remember
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by ThunderLizard
Average has been 4 years on both fleets for as long as I can remember
Right after the FO's hired 8 years ago.

If you're experienced then apply for DEC and get ahead of the FOs. They'll love to fly with you.
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Old 8th Nov 2023, 13:49
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Originally Posted by PositiveRate876
Right after the FO's hired 8 years ago.

If you're experienced then apply for DEC and get ahead of the FOs. They'll love to fly with you.
You might not need to worry about that possibility. Chances are high, somewhere during your training they will fail you (either because of your lack of CRM, or for not answering a question "sufficiently" that was thrown at you during the approach at 5000 ft after a 13-hour flight). They will then call you to the office, kindly offering you to either return home, or re-start your training in the right hand seat. Your choice!
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