Fake Log book Hours Blacklist
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Fake Log book Hours Blacklist
After watching various "training mechanisms" of a few airlines struggle, at the supply of apparently "qualified aircrew" ... to meet increasing fleet staffing requirements, I feel it's is long overdue to speak out.
There are too many pilots around trying to gain Commands or F/o slots on bogus types they know nothing about, with fake hours!
Fact!
Gone are the days of logbooks being retained by the prospective company for factual checks prior to interview. Logbooks are not even checked at interview by simply "turning a page over" and checking Aircraft Registrations &/or Crew!
(TAKE NOTE HR!)
I am sick and tired of unqualified amateurs claiming quals and types they have no idea about, only to clog up the training mechanisms in stupidity and wasted limited sim times over their prospective employees lies.
Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
Handing over...
There are too many pilots around trying to gain Commands or F/o slots on bogus types they know nothing about, with fake hours!
Fact!
Gone are the days of logbooks being retained by the prospective company for factual checks prior to interview. Logbooks are not even checked at interview by simply "turning a page over" and checking Aircraft Registrations &/or Crew!
(TAKE NOTE HR!)
I am sick and tired of unqualified amateurs claiming quals and types they have no idea about, only to clog up the training mechanisms in stupidity and wasted limited sim times over their prospective employees lies.
Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
Handing over...
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Hmm. As someone who never faked one(1!) hour in his life I must say that I had already some interviews where they had a very good look at my logbooks. Had to bring all of them on 2 occasions, both european operators I must add.
I remember my QR interview and they did NOT check my last logbook at all. So, not entirely true, at least for some operators. But I have heard about guys faking hours, but it did not help them at all. Airlines expect experience from you, so, if you overdo the "faking" thing they will catch you eventually(missing command experience, missing widebody experience, etc.).
I remember my QR interview and they did NOT check my last logbook at all. So, not entirely true, at least for some operators. But I have heard about guys faking hours, but it did not help them at all. Airlines expect experience from you, so, if you overdo the "faking" thing they will catch you eventually(missing command experience, missing widebody experience, etc.).
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The problem now is the baby pilots that had daddy buy 320/73NG rating and with connections to get a job . Then 3 years later has the 2500 auto pilot hours but meets the requirements
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The problem now is the baby pilots that had daddy buy 320/73NG rating and with connections to get a job . Then 3 years later has the 2500 auto pilot hours but meets the requirements
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I know of a couple of Pilots who have faked experience/command courses that are now Captains. Scary thing is that one of the individuals false credentials is known to the company that they work for AND the relevant Authority and yet nothing was done????
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Fact Joe, as has also been supported by others posts above. Happy now? It's an extremely naive comment for you to make and it's not just India & Thailand now too but way more widespread.
This topic is running in another Forum Section with some interesting result.
Time for HR departments and Regulators to take note because it's a much bigger problem than I suspected and cuts to the heart of the industry's credibility.
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This topic is running in another Forum Section with some interesting result.
Time for HR departments and Regulators to take note because it's a much bigger problem than I suspected and cuts to the heart of the industry's credibility.
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The industry does not care about fake hours as they desperately need applicants!
And as we all know, the regulator does what the industry pay them to look away from.
Finally HR couldn't give a rodents back side for honest hours as they are so full of themselves pretending to be able to see right through any sweating candidate in their sad little offices just by their superior psychological prowesses.
So who would go for the daunting task to verify this widespread scam? It's once again shoved down the food chain to initially the instructors, who will more and more come out of the same ranks, and finally to the skippers on the line who will have to deal with the mess.
The industry couldn't care less, it will be one more accident that can be labeled 'pilot error', everything else is sooooo professional and controlled and overseen, no one could see that one coming, it will be forgotten in a short time and the cheap show goes on.
Just read the weekly incident reports at EK and you will get a very clear picture what's already cooked up. Clear and present danger!
And as we all know, the regulator does what the industry pay them to look away from.
Finally HR couldn't give a rodents back side for honest hours as they are so full of themselves pretending to be able to see right through any sweating candidate in their sad little offices just by their superior psychological prowesses.
So who would go for the daunting task to verify this widespread scam? It's once again shoved down the food chain to initially the instructors, who will more and more come out of the same ranks, and finally to the skippers on the line who will have to deal with the mess.
The industry couldn't care less, it will be one more accident that can be labeled 'pilot error', everything else is sooooo professional and controlled and overseen, no one could see that one coming, it will be forgotten in a short time and the cheap show goes on.
Just read the weekly incident reports at EK and you will get a very clear picture what's already cooked up. Clear and present danger!
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'Chocks Away' and 'goldfish' would've gotten many 'Likes' if that option was provided here.
This is an important issue and should be discussed as such. I recently flew with a guy who told me he has 50 hours of B737 SIC time and 9 hours of PIC time...yet, he has no records of upgrade training. I give up.
This is an important issue and should be discussed as such. I recently flew with a guy who told me he has 50 hours of B737 SIC time and 9 hours of PIC time...yet, he has no records of upgrade training. I give up.
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surely in this day and age every reputable operator has a record of hours flown by all there pilots per year and total online.How about a global record of all airline pilots hrs per year to be submitted to a global licensing authority. Who in turn keeps track of all licensed pilots and there ratings and actual hours flown. Might not be able to stop people building hrs with there pen in the early days of there career but would make sure they were honest once they enter the airlines. Pretty simple to do! sorry I forgot we have 100's of Civil Aviation authorities that can't agree on jack ****.
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Stev- sorry but no. The day of reputable Operators is few and far between now sadly (hence the huge amount of crew changing jobs globally right now). Many companies don't even keep records of Low Vis Ops / CAT 2-3b / night tkof-ldg etc etc but will hold dearly any warning letters!
It is in two Forums for now but should be in three others because I know of many others cases in Asia and South America and Europe where the passengers should be very afraid!
I'll put it this way: there are a growing number of airlines now which myself, friends & family go no where near. This is not a stunt people. Get a reality check! One of an airlines' major expenditure is to silence media attention when an accident happens. Brand protection... and that occurs well before a fake pilot is found as the cause. PR & HR are massive now and are tin plating their asses (as has been mentioned in previous posts).
This is real and will cost many more lives / "incidents" / "occurrences" until a regulator's or relative's life is lost before real change happens... it's called "affordablle safety"... How few checks and cheap can we go before a life is lost!
Just look at the airlines refused into EU and why. Who were the crew? Legit Quals & hours?
Thanks for the support and feedback fellas.
We effected changed with AvMed Australia due to threads here and media so I hope for the same here, failing Regualor's attention to the huge issue.
It is in two Forums for now but should be in three others because I know of many others cases in Asia and South America and Europe where the passengers should be very afraid!
I'll put it this way: there are a growing number of airlines now which myself, friends & family go no where near. This is not a stunt people. Get a reality check! One of an airlines' major expenditure is to silence media attention when an accident happens. Brand protection... and that occurs well before a fake pilot is found as the cause. PR & HR are massive now and are tin plating their asses (as has been mentioned in previous posts).
This is real and will cost many more lives / "incidents" / "occurrences" until a regulator's or relative's life is lost before real change happens... it's called "affordablle safety"... How few checks and cheap can we go before a life is lost!
Just look at the airlines refused into EU and why. Who were the crew? Legit Quals & hours?
Thanks for the support and feedback fellas.
We effected changed with AvMed Australia due to threads here and media so I hope for the same here, failing Regualor's attention to the huge issue.
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unfortunately you are correct my scorn of the regulatory authorities, is more an attack on the symptoms than tackling the cause. I hadn't accounted for the fact that the airlines $ men consider it more cost effective to hire someone with good pen man ship than good airmanship. A very safe and reputable outfit I worked for early on stated in the early days. Safety is utmost we cannot suffer a hull loss. That would be the end of us. 5 years later the story was "well we could probably survive 2 crashes, but no more than that". Weird ehh! Survival of the brand and the $ crunchers. Unfortunately that's what we're left with!
unfortunately you are correct my scorn of the regulatory authorities, is more an attack on the symptoms than tackling the cause. I hadn't accounted for the fact that the airlines $ men consider it more cost effective to hire someone with good pen man ship than good airmanship. A very safe and reputable outfit I worked for early on stated in the early days. Safety is utmost we cannot suffer a hull loss. That would be the end of us. 5 years later the story was "well we could probably survive 2 crashes, but no more than that". Weird ehh! Survival of the brand and the $ crunchers. Unfortunately that's what we're left with!
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apparently one famous faker kicked out of a couple airlines in the region, then in jail because of another, has been seen in Saudi..330 Capt....they just keep resurfacing
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