EK Training department roster
And.....now there's no shortage of trainers, but it would seem that there aren't enough to cover new joiners, upgrades, PPC's etc. Am hearing stories that over the last 2 weeks or so that the system has somewhat imploded with resignations and sickness.
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I'm usually not the type that likes the "if you don't like it, leave" dribble.
But with instructors this slogan sticks.
The only thing they would lose is a bit more money and some privileges. On the other hand, as it seems, they could gain on days off and time off.
The company can't bully them, as it is a strictly benevolent additional task.
The normal line swine can't just leave. We all know why, kids in school, mortgage, no time for interview with other companies and so on.
But instructors would only pay a minuscule price for leaving their ordeal.
So why aren't they leaving???
Expect very little sympathy for your plight from the normal guys ......
But with instructors this slogan sticks.
The only thing they would lose is a bit more money and some privileges. On the other hand, as it seems, they could gain on days off and time off.
The company can't bully them, as it is a strictly benevolent additional task.
The normal line swine can't just leave. We all know why, kids in school, mortgage, no time for interview with other companies and so on.
But instructors would only pay a minuscule price for leaving their ordeal.
So why aren't they leaving???
Expect very little sympathy for your plight from the normal guys ......
Have to agree with Fatty, what little benefit gained from the position is lost on most of us ordinary line trash. I've asked numerous times, at the completion of the mutually respectful and shared goals checking session why don't you resign Mr TRE if training blows worse than a Thai ladyboy, thus far it would appear training has a ways to go to compare to the large handed pretend ladies in Asia, and before anyone asks, no, I have no actual personal experience of said large hands.
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Those digging in with the ego & power trip line, my experience is almost entirely at odds with that viewpoint. Whether in training or line flights, the trainers I've flown with have been excellent (with a couple of notable exceptions, but they are exceptions), and no power trip has been evident. I think it's unfair to paint the training department with such a broad brush.
I take the point though that the only way to effect significant change is by mass resignations.
I take the point though that the only way to effect significant change is by mass resignations.
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Unfortunately, I have seen very inexperienced (nil previous command time) 380 captain becoming a LTC. The integrity of the training department has vanished. What were they thinking???
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Maybe some of these new LTCs have gone for the position because they want to train??? Some, perhaps, have gone for the position to improve their resume in the hope of escaping EK sooner! I have met a few trainers and 'newer' LTCs and i have to say with absolute conviction, these guys are the least egotistical fellas i have come across here at EK.
Disagreeing with company policies is one thing, however, attacking individuals and the group doing this difficult and vital role, is not appropriate regardless of experience levels. Some of the above posts are sounding quite bitter and quite personal. Shame really as you guys are all on the Titanic together!
Disagreeing with company policies is one thing, however, attacking individuals and the group doing this difficult and vital role, is not appropriate regardless of experience levels. Some of the above posts are sounding quite bitter and quite personal. Shame really as you guys are all on the Titanic together!
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Company I worked for prior to joining EK in mid-90's insisted on (if my memory is correct) minimum three years left seat, along with a minimum "similar type" requirement before they would even consider a candidate for entry into training. Most had much more. I can't recall any complaints about the quality of training, with the exception of the usual one or two "personalities" in the department.
I believe most UK carriers had similar requirements at the time.
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I believe most UK carriers had similar requirements at the time.
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Maybe some of these new LTCs have gone for the position because they want to train??? Some, perhaps, have gone for the position to improve their resume in the hope of escaping EK sooner! I have met a few trainers and 'newer' LTCs and i have to say with absolute conviction, these guys are the least egotistical fellas i have come across here at EK.
Disagreeing with company policies is one thing, however, attacking individuals and the group doing this difficult and vital role, is not appropriate regardless of experience levels. Some of the above posts are sounding quite bitter and quite personal. Shame really as you guys are all on the Titanic together!
Disagreeing with company policies is one thing, however, attacking individuals and the group doing this difficult and vital role, is not appropriate regardless of experience levels. Some of the above posts are sounding quite bitter and quite personal. Shame really as you guys are all on the Titanic together!
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It might not only be an ego incentive, i give interest in training is a noble thing. But then i would never trade off too much work for that reason.
There must be more. If it's money, then don't complain. If it's perceived better leaving options, again don't complain, you are suffering for a better fate.
If it's for the star, then please leave, as it's not worth punishing yourself including us others for that.
Just one thing, in sustaining of what has been said: I would have never considered applying before having gained adequate experience. This in respect of all trainees. Pilots doing that are useless and borderline dangerous.
We can debate the required experience, but at EK it's definitely busted.
There must be more. If it's money, then don't complain. If it's perceived better leaving options, again don't complain, you are suffering for a better fate.
If it's for the star, then please leave, as it's not worth punishing yourself including us others for that.
Just one thing, in sustaining of what has been said: I would have never considered applying before having gained adequate experience. This in respect of all trainees. Pilots doing that are useless and borderline dangerous.
We can debate the required experience, but at EK it's definitely busted.
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I agree with 777boyo, 3 years in the left seat at EK should be a minimum to become a trainer. And how about sending out a list with the names of the aspiring trainers and let the line CA's and FO's give their input. This is the way we did it in the military.
They should get all those that have too many sick days, or too many double secret written verbal warnings, and make them trainers. The paltry pay per duty offered would be the biggest punishment yet.