Change to direct AKL
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Change to direct AKL
There will be some unhappy Kiwis with this announcement.
Emirates to launch daily A380 flights to Auckland | GulfNews.com
Emirates to launch daily A380 flights to Auckland | GulfNews.com
I honestly don't want to start the AvB debate- the Fatbus is great on the right route- but how much can it actually carry on a 17 1/2 hour flight?
Wiz I'm guessing it's all about the premium seats, as well as offering a superior product in Y to the Qatar product which is better than the 200LR offering in our birds.
As for payload, they are going to have to block about 100 seats or so in Y to make it work as well as sending all the freight via Oz just like they've been doing, or tacking on a 77F sector from SYD etc.
I've done the trip twice, it's a killer, but I did have 3 very happy colleagues able to go home and visit family.
Sky cargo will hate it, but the pax will love it, and if it won't make money or at least break even, EK wouldn't do it.
As for payload, they are going to have to block about 100 seats or so in Y to make it work as well as sending all the freight via Oz just like they've been doing, or tacking on a 77F sector from SYD etc.
I've done the trip twice, it's a killer, but I did have 3 very happy colleagues able to go home and visit family.
Sky cargo will hate it, but the pax will love it, and if it won't make money or at least break even, EK wouldn't do it.
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I can't believe they made this decision without checking with the 777 training department first Wiz. Will they ever learn? Thank God Monach is there to provide info from a 380 performance perspective.
You fellas need to get out a bit more.
If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't. We are not paid enough to care.
You fellas need to get out a bit more.
If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't. We are not paid enough to care.
If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't. We are not paid enough to care.
Monarch- thanks, interesting.
don- not up to your usual standard- imagine someone discussing aviation on an aviation website! Rough night old fella?
don- not up to your usual standard- imagine someone discussing aviation on an aviation website! Rough night old fella?
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Rough year so far Wiz. Fair cop gov.
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Don't blame you mate. You are not on your Pat malone. Hope it works out smoothly.
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Who wants to sit 17+ hrs without wifi or any live TV? I believe only one of our -200LR have been retrofitted. Plus, we could used the extra man power somewhere else like KBL and BGW
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I was on the flight on the 26th May (reg was EWB) and that had wifi/live TV. I was under the impression the older -200LR's had been retrofitted. Maybe I got lucky!
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R Bacon,
The numbers don't lie, go and have a look at GABI (AKL-DXB) yourself, then subtract about 235 (fuel with a low headwind component) from a MTOW of 575...and you get? 345 on a good day, then take off the DOW, and hey presto..PAYLOAD!
Now, hmmmm whats the average pax weight including bags out of NZ on a LH flight thats premium heavy, I'll let you decide, but it equates to about 100 blocked Y seats..ish, unless of course you want to be on the whale at BUBIN at 5am with no holding fuel.
The numbers don't lie, go and have a look at GABI (AKL-DXB) yourself, then subtract about 235 (fuel with a low headwind component) from a MTOW of 575...and you get? 345 on a good day, then take off the DOW, and hey presto..PAYLOAD!
Now, hmmmm whats the average pax weight including bags out of NZ on a LH flight thats premium heavy, I'll let you decide, but it equates to about 100 blocked Y seats..ish, unless of course you want to be on the whale at BUBIN at 5am with no holding fuel.
What's the fuel capacity of the A380? I did AKL-DXB, and had to leave with less than OFP fuel as they filled the LR and it didn't get to the required figure.
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Read the latest incident reports! EK OPS gives you the answer .......b
eriously, now they come up with he seat blocking theory again, you used that already when the 380 started
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A 380 with restricted capacity is exactly what is needed on such a route, economics aside. I did the trip recently and on the way back with a full load, half of the Economy toilets were inop in the last couple of hours due to full waste tanks. Many hungry and bored pax were up and about in the last few hours and having more space would most welcome to both passengers and crew.
If you want to do the sums for a 380 then look at the OFP for the inaugural flight there and back that was operated by a 380. The load on both ways was not more than two thirds full if I can recall correctly.
This is nothing more than a headline grabbing exercise. The 380 starts in December and Qatar starts direct AKL in Febuary with their triple and then eventually using the 350, which I am sure beats any of our 77L airframes hands down.
If you want to do the sums for a 380 then look at the OFP for the inaugural flight there and back that was operated by a 380. The load on both ways was not more than two thirds full if I can recall correctly.
This is nothing more than a headline grabbing exercise. The 380 starts in December and Qatar starts direct AKL in Febuary with their triple and then eventually using the 350, which I am sure beats any of our 77L airframes hands down.