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THE DECREASING SALARY

Old 5th Jun 2016, 09:45
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From my recollection, step 1 to 13 is FO and Captain starts on step 14. So, most FOs see a good jump in pay when upgraded from say step 6 to 14 whereas the steps to 13 are for those who "wish to" remain in the RHS.

Skippers now go from step 14 to 35 which means after 15 years as a Captain you are not pay frozen anymore. There are now 5 more years of "financial enticements" to stop the experience leaving (which isn't happening as I met another 2 senior fellows leaving shortly) after notice expires.

Safe flying and enjoy that 8AED / HR pay raise.

J
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 09:59
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Does that mean step 14 is the 36000 advertised on the emirates career page? I am trying to work out how much will I be earning in year 1 and how much as the years progress
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 10:17
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Yep the one on the website is step 14. We have been frozen on the same step three times since 2008. So your calcs should be considered best case.
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 10:30
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Right, I think Ive got it now! So there's one pay scale for all pilots, with capts starting at step 14 (currently approx 36000 as advertised). I was assuming there were separate pay scales for capt & FO with 36000 representing capt step 1. Same same but different!
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 12:59
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It is one scale in effect. It's just that there are 2 tables merely to reflect that FO's stop at spine point 13. FO's who are promoted go up 10 steps or go to step 14, which ever is the greater.

I assume that DEC's come in at step 14? But they should really come in at step 10 IMHO.
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 13:07
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So a DEC starts at step 14 which is currently approximately 36000 and every year expect a move to the next step at 3% until step 35 which is the top?
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 13:10
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And something else, step 14 which is currently about 36000, never gets adjusted for inflation? So even if I join in 2 years time, step 14 will still be 36000?
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 13:29
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The pilot group has not had a pay rise since...what is it? 2009? I am sure someone will have the correct date.
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 13:30
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Worse than that.
If they begrudgingly give you your contracted yearly step as a pay rise, inflation in Dubai is higher, so effectively its more of a slow painful pay cut year on year.
Lets not forget VAT ( 5%) is looming in 2018 so 3% this year and 3% next year, means that come 2018, well you do the maths.
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 14:18
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Originally Posted by TineeTim View Post
The leaving/joining numbers above are incorrect. The last guy to join in 2015 started on 13/12 at number 3905 (380 F/O MJ). Today his number is 3837- up 68 numbers in just under 6 months. The total on the list today is 4104- up 199.
So up 199 and we've lost 68, that equates to approx for every 3 in, we lose 1 - those are grounds to up the salary big time!!
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 14:54
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So up 199 and we've lost 68, that equates to approx for every 3 in, we lose 1 - those are grounds to up the salary big time!!
Based on what we saw in the email the other day, I'd have to say it's not.

Percentage wise, it's about 3.5% per year. No doubt that's higher than they'd like but it must not be high enough that they feel the need to do something about it. If we see a big increase in that rate, or if they really are having difficulty attracting enough guys, then maybe they'll look at it again. Not holding my breath!
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 16:32
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Originally Posted by TineeTim View Post
Based on what we saw in the email the other day, I'd have to say it's not.
Well those numbers tell you something else - the facts!!
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 18:57
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Ghosts

Guys and don't forget about all those ghost pilots that never joined but their names are still in the seniority list with their planned date of joining...
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 15:32
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Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 16:56
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The only I knew of, now at Turkish, and here recently running a road show, is no longer on the list.
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 17:13
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Yep, he went off the list a while ago. If we're going to state facts, let's try to back them up...?
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 18:30
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Originally Posted by sluggums View Post
Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
Sure, I'm not making up this.
Check seniority list number 312#. DOJ 07-JUN-13...

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Old 6th Jun 2016, 19:20
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There're no joiners on June 7th
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 19:38
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Originally Posted by The Zohan View Post
There're no joiners on June 7th
Maybe we aren't seeing the same seniority list, or you need help...
Here we go:
It's the first column, and not the last one (last one is Date of Service), and the middle one is Date of Birth.
Hope it helps.
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 21:47
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FL3- I'll be buggered. You are right. First time I've seen this. I wonder how many other Ghost numbers are there.
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