FZ whistleblower goes to media - EK next?
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yes the Canadian was "only" detained and tortured
read the US State Department report on human rights in UAE
Or visit human rights watch and you will find the disappearance cases
yes the Canadian was "only" detained and tortured
read the US State Department report on human rights in UAE
Or visit human rights watch and you will find the disappearance cases
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Good afternoon SLF here, however have a vested interest in this thread as I have flown over 750,000 miles with Emirates over the years examples DXB to LHR LGW GLA BHX CDG Accra Tripoli Tunisia Lagos JNB DOH HKG SIN all aircraft A330, A340 300/500 A380 B777 200/300/300ER.
The point I wish to make is that this side of the business you are talking about here the passengers don't see. I really have the greatest of sympathy for all you working in that kind of environment.
I have worked offshore and lost people on some very unsafe Platforms and FPSO's with poor working conditions similar rules apply although we are 12/14 on and 10/12 off.
I believe this Media coverage could work if trickled out properly.
The point I wish to make is that this side of the business you are talking about here the passengers don't see. I really have the greatest of sympathy for all you working in that kind of environment.
I have worked offshore and lost people on some very unsafe Platforms and FPSO's with poor working conditions similar rules apply although we are 12/14 on and 10/12 off.
I believe this Media coverage could work if trickled out properly.
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Looks like mainstream business press is now on to it
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/emirates-denies-pilot-flight-fatigue
Tut tut...still not true... re 60 prior.
Getting interesting
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/emirates-denies-pilot-flight-fatigue
Tut tut...still not true... re 60 prior.
Getting interesting
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"...Emirates strictly adheres to state approved FTL scheme."
That's what an EK spokesperson says in response to the Business Traveller's Tom Otley after a request for information. See the link above to the Business Traveller.
So, good that's all sorted then. Starting tomorrow all EK pilots required to arrive at work no sooner than 1 hour before departure.
The Volvo driver might be waiting a while outside your front door, but he'll understand.
So, good that's all sorted then. Starting tomorrow all EK pilots required to arrive at work no sooner than 1 hour before departure.
The Volvo driver might be waiting a while outside your front door, but he'll understand.
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helen,
In about 2008 (if memory serves) I flew with a captain who was hauled onto the carpet with the CP-B. His crime? He had been given a flight plan over the Himalayas in a -300, which was performance limited for the sector, and declined, asking for southerly alternate routing. This resulted in a large delay for the flight, Chinese ATC being what it is, and upon arriving back in DXB was summoned to the office to explain. The DEC captain, big Irish gent, stuck to his guns and laid out his logical reasons for delaying the flight. This increasingly infuriated the local CP, especially the point at which he asked the captain if in the future, faced with a similar situation, would he repeat the same decision? To which the captain calmly replied that of course he would, after all his job was to make difficult decisions in the best interests of safety, he had done so on the flight in question, why wouldn't he in the future?
At that point the CP bluntly told him that if he did repeat such a decision, the captain's wife and new daughter would never find him in the desert, and Emirates would have "forgotten" about him.
If you don't believe this, ask the other person at that meeting, the now DCP-B, of the one half of the Canadian wine family. He did not defend the captain in the slightest.
As the captain told me, his biggest regret was that he hadn't recorded the meeting. I don't know if he's still at EK.
So sure. It may have been only "rhetoric". But to suggest that such dire things are never threatened, is false. To think that they don't happen in the UAE, is naive. it wasn't that long ago Sheikh Issa was torturing an Afghani over a few thousand dirham.
In about 2008 (if memory serves) I flew with a captain who was hauled onto the carpet with the CP-B. His crime? He had been given a flight plan over the Himalayas in a -300, which was performance limited for the sector, and declined, asking for southerly alternate routing. This resulted in a large delay for the flight, Chinese ATC being what it is, and upon arriving back in DXB was summoned to the office to explain. The DEC captain, big Irish gent, stuck to his guns and laid out his logical reasons for delaying the flight. This increasingly infuriated the local CP, especially the point at which he asked the captain if in the future, faced with a similar situation, would he repeat the same decision? To which the captain calmly replied that of course he would, after all his job was to make difficult decisions in the best interests of safety, he had done so on the flight in question, why wouldn't he in the future?
At that point the CP bluntly told him that if he did repeat such a decision, the captain's wife and new daughter would never find him in the desert, and Emirates would have "forgotten" about him.
If you don't believe this, ask the other person at that meeting, the now DCP-B, of the one half of the Canadian wine family. He did not defend the captain in the slightest.
As the captain told me, his biggest regret was that he hadn't recorded the meeting. I don't know if he's still at EK.
So sure. It may have been only "rhetoric". But to suggest that such dire things are never threatened, is false. To think that they don't happen in the UAE, is naive. it wasn't that long ago Sheikh Issa was torturing an Afghani over a few thousand dirham.
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helen-damnation,
You need to re-read the article because you are doing what everyone claims your employer does - mis-represent what is written.
Nowhere does it say that pilots go missing in the UAE. It says "people can “disappear” in the UAE." That's very different.
I had a laugh at your comment re "not fanciful rhetoric." Considering EK is the master at such, I think it is amusing that they are now on the receiving end.
But in this case, that article seems pretty factual.
You need to re-read the article because you are doing what everyone claims your employer does - mis-represent what is written.
Nowhere does it say that pilots go missing in the UAE. It says "people can “disappear” in the UAE." That's very different.
I had a laugh at your comment re "not fanciful rhetoric." Considering EK is the master at such, I think it is amusing that they are now on the receiving end.
But in this case, that article seems pretty factual.
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Surely, if the general consensus among the pilots of these 2 companies is that they are being forced by company culture to endanger lives, they owe it to their families and thousands of unsuspecting pax to have spoken up collectively with supporting evidence and legal advice. If things are truly as bad for all concerned, perhaps rather suffer a few months of relative hardship without a job than risk it all.
Whistle-blowing is commendable, but not as effective incognito and after the fact. As long as people are more afraid of losing their jobs than they are of the perceived consequences of keeping them, they will not be taken seriously.
Whistle-blowing is commendable, but not as effective incognito and after the fact. As long as people are more afraid of losing their jobs than they are of the perceived consequences of keeping them, they will not be taken seriously.
The culture of fear, intimidation and bullying is so large that the threats from the managment have grown to counter it. They can and have stopped visas, held passports, prevented famiies (yes wives and children) from leaving UAE if non disclosure agreements are not signed.
The press have been given the story numerous times back to the hunting knife incident being suppressed from the Kabul flight to many many more stories of FTL "boundaries", rostering into dicsretion, not off loading pax who sexually assault cabin crew, not off laoding pax full stop when the cmdr has alady made the decision, telling you not to go or to go, telling you not to divert or divert.
Sadly no one listened until now. They are and remain above the law, no one in power in Dubai cares and no one wants to listen.
At the end of the day the CPs favourite phrase is ,"If you don't like it, leave" so guess what, people eventually just leave. I do not understand why thse in real power in Dubai allow this to happen but thier own departments GCAA, Labour, Internal Affairs and Legal Affairs have numerous cases where the above have been cited. They have chosen to sidleine the pilots involved and mostly let them leave quietly or in a fewer cases noisily.
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EGGY1, you can spread the word at Costa that this will be in other news channels. Promise.
For my part I am seriously impressed by the RT coverage. What may matter even more is that if you use Google (except google.ae) the first hit on both FlyDubai and Emirates is the RT coverage. Been that way for days. That must be painful for the brand.
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For my part I am seriously impressed by the RT coverage. What may matter even more is that if you use Google (except google.ae) the first hit on both FlyDubai and Emirates is the RT coverage. Been that way for days. That must be painful for the brand.
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Or are these people airline managers or office lackeys, trolling and using the internet to extend their web of misinformation, lies and intimidation?
There might not be a lot of love for RT, but the phrase "make hay while the sun shines" comes to mind. It's not going to shine for more than a few weeks until the media get bored and move on.