Emirates. Not that bad, surely?
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Most people will spend more than Airdancer to live in Dubai. On an FO salary, if you are careful and single (or married without kids), you should have no problem saving some money. How much will depend on your hobbies.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard
) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).
When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard
) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
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Saving money has nothing to do with EK or Dubai, it's relative just like it is anywhere else in the world. Do you have a wife that doesn't work, 2 kids, or no kids and a working wife etc. shop at Carrefour or spinneys. Hang out at zero gravity every weekend.
I save plenty, but that's me and I'm happy with how I do it. If you like to party all the time and lease a Porsche (take a look at the car park sometime.... No shortage of money at EK!) then that's your business.
I save plenty, but that's me and I'm happy with how I do it. If you like to party all the time and lease a Porsche (take a look at the car park sometime.... No shortage of money at EK!) then that's your business.
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Most people will spend more than Airdancer to live in Dubai. On an FO salary, if you are careful and single (or married without kids), you should have no problem saving some money. How much will depend on your hobbies.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard ) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).
When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard
) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
It should be put as a sticker!
Those of you considering the move, should read this carefully!
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Cathay Pacific Have announced an end to their expat housing perks. Currently running to $hk110,000 per month , the company have stated this is unsustainable, and must be renegotiated. If no agreement is reached before the end of Dec17 , anecdotal evidence sugests is will be paid at a flat rate of commiserate with current standard contract pilots of around max $HK 30000 ish.
With EK paying AED 16000/ month for Captains, it's entirely possible that there is an influx of disgruntled ex CX pilots who will be able to buy a flat and take the hk $33500 per month offered.
Would still be a drastic pay cut for those boys though. But anger can lead to misguided decisions.
Ironically, an Ex EK skipper just joined Cathay Dragon. On local terms . At no 521 on the seniority. Just intime for the industrial unrest. Top marks.
With EK paying AED 16000/ month for Captains, it's entirely possible that there is an influx of disgruntled ex CX pilots who will be able to buy a flat and take the hk $33500 per month offered.
Would still be a drastic pay cut for those boys though. But anger can lead to misguided decisions.
Ironically, an Ex EK skipper just joined Cathay Dragon. On local terms . At no 521 on the seniority. Just intime for the industrial unrest. Top marks.
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Thank you.
Most people will spend more than Airdancer to live in Dubai. On an FO salary, if you are careful and single (or married without kids), you should have no problem saving some money. How much will depend on your hobbies.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard ) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).
When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
Add children to the mix and it will change. Very young kids not in school and you will spend less than having 2 kids over the age of six who are also involved in activities.
Long upgrade times for new joiners means you should budget carefully. As a captain you can certainly save. If your wife also has a skill that is in demand - then you can save a LOT of money.
One consideration though: Like investing, your career, at least in financial terms, is a long game! Looking at myself versus the friends who stayed at 'major/legacy' airlines, in the end, they will fare far better financially. This is due to the fact that they will spend an entire career there while most EK pilots will not last to retirement. Very few pilots want to spend their entire life in Dubai, though there are a few. Going home usually means a pay cut or a job commuting with the commensurate lifestyle.
Quite simply, for most of us the draw was/is a big airplane, flying around the globe for good money. It is gratification now vs. later. I am pretty sure most of at EK know someone at home who drools at the thought of doing what we do while he tools around in a 737.
But in the long game, if our friend is at a large airline he will catch up paywise and, if he does not catch up in after tax dollars, he most certainly will when the pension is considered. 20 years of a pension is incredibly valuable and not something most consider.
I also would not consider the housing allowance at EK in any financial planning. Buying a house in Dubai is a muggs game - it may end well, it may end badly. The good times of big increases are gone and at current prices the risk is high and the fixed costs eat away the majority of the allowance.
I don't need pprune to tell me how difficult it has become to live and work in Dubai for EK.
I know the punishing skeds from experience and I know the vast majority of my friends, neighbors and acquaintances want to leave or are leaving.
It is telling that guys who have been here only 2 years are extolling the virtues of the place.
In the end, as I have tried to explain to a few friends who considered coming over the years, it is a risk/reward scenario. EK and Dubai can be good provided that you manage to stay on the very narrow path. You make one wrong move in Dubai (car accident with the wrong person, have consumed alcohol and something happens in which you are not even involved but have been dragged into, are accused of wrong doing etc etc) and your once great career plan is in shambles. EK is the same - wrong place, wrong time, piss of the wrong person etc and, again, career in shambles (even more so now with their warpath mentality).
While the odds of falling off the path or slim I know several pilots who have. The risks that exist here do not exist at home (for most of us).
So, like everything in life, it is a matter of balancing risk in your decision making. Look at the long game and try (I know it's hard
) to take the big shiny airplane out of the picture (you will get there anyway just at a different point in your career).When I came the risk/reward was worth it (in my case a bankruptcy). I was lucky in my timing. Knowing what I do at the moment I would not come now. The conditions have declined and the risk is much higher especially as EK and the region struggle financially.
If you do come then enjoy the good aspects of the job - the pilots are a great bunch and I have enjoyed flying with most guys. The route network is unparalleled and you will see the world.
Just come with eyes wide open and understand the risks.
For me - I've resigned. My health and life are not worth it any longer. While many aspects of the job are now poor I'm grateful for the time I have had the money I've save.
The risk/reward has changed.
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One of the best post I've read Trader. Totally agree.
You can save money anywhere, but the life/health balance is the key.
As for the EK skipper who went the Cathay Dragon, well done that man. He's not the first and won't be the last to go in that direction.
You can save money anywhere, but the life/health balance is the key.
As for the EK skipper who went the Cathay Dragon, well done that man. He's not the first and won't be the last to go in that direction.
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I don’t think he was speaking for all. He just doesn’t know anyone who is planning on staying very long. I don’t know that many either, including myself. The work here is a killer. My first three years were fantastic in terms of work life balance but I can’t take this pace much longer.
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"My health and life are no longer worth it"
That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.
They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
"My health and life are no longer worth it"
That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.
They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
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I don't know how anyone can stay long term at Emirates either. My body is killing me slowly. Maybe after years here slagging it off you somehow get use to the abuse both physical and mental but that is a dangerous game to play with your body and your life.
When is Delta going to call me for an interview? I don't want to be the last American left standing.
When is Delta going to call me for an interview? I don't want to be the last American left standing.
Some more thoughts
My wife and I made the decision last year to give EK/Dubai a go. So yes I'm only relatively new.
The one thing we have noticed: if you were capable of saving money and sticking to a budget back in your home country, you will be able to save here. However if you aren't that sort of person, you will find plenty of things to take your money in Dubai. After all salary=expenses for some people....
We have 4 children, 2 in school so far. We chose a school that matches the education allowance. We're in company accommodation. As mentioned the company accomodation is fine. We spend more on food than we did back home but 5000 dirhams a month is more than enough for groceries and fuel costs. We put aside a reasonable amount for travel , money for the missus and some bills. After all that we manage to save about 11000 dirhams a month.
We came over with a couple of goals in mind. One of these is money, the other is having a new experience. However if we get to the end of the bond and my wife isn't happy, we'll go home. I didn't have the option to join a legacy carrier, only a LCC back in Aus.
EK isn't for everyone. Dubai is not for everyone. If you have the option of a legacy/major back in your home country, I would take that. But for the rest of us, there are plenty of jobs that are worse than EK. If you think you can achieve something for your career/life by coming here, go for it.
The one thing we have noticed: if you were capable of saving money and sticking to a budget back in your home country, you will be able to save here. However if you aren't that sort of person, you will find plenty of things to take your money in Dubai. After all salary=expenses for some people....
We have 4 children, 2 in school so far. We chose a school that matches the education allowance. We're in company accommodation. As mentioned the company accomodation is fine. We spend more on food than we did back home but 5000 dirhams a month is more than enough for groceries and fuel costs. We put aside a reasonable amount for travel , money for the missus and some bills. After all that we manage to save about 11000 dirhams a month.
We came over with a couple of goals in mind. One of these is money, the other is having a new experience. However if we get to the end of the bond and my wife isn't happy, we'll go home. I didn't have the option to join a legacy carrier, only a LCC back in Aus.
EK isn't for everyone. Dubai is not for everyone. If you have the option of a legacy/major back in your home country, I would take that. But for the rest of us, there are plenty of jobs that are worse than EK. If you think you can achieve something for your career/life by coming here, go for it.
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"My health and life are no longer worth it"
That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.
They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
"My health and life are no longer worth it"
That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.
They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
Just the mental barriers we live with not being there any more is a great start. Don't have to worry about getting pinched for this that are normal back home. I know the chances of actually getting arrested in the sandpit are generally slim, but even as a law abiding citizen, the thought is always there in the back of your mind.
As I described it recently, I feel like I just got out of a really ****ty emotionally abusive relationship, couldn't see it really til I was out. "Bit he seemed so nice" is always the refrain and it's no different with this lot.
https://blog.aerlingus.com/launching...uitment-drive/
Decent airline, good T&Cs, civilised country where you have rights. Might suit some of the youngish guys and girls with EU passports.
Decent airline, good T&Cs, civilised country where you have rights. Might suit some of the youngish guys and girls with EU passports.
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
We're in company accommodation. As mentioned the company accomodation is fine. .
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
After all that we manage to save about 11000 dirhams a month..
I'm not really sure what you mean by these two selective quotes?
Like I said the accomodation villas aren't bad. Would I buy one? No, the quality of workmanship is rubbish compared to anything you'd get back home. But to live in they're ok.
Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
.... the quality of workmanship is rubbish .... But to live in they're ok.
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
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Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
" all that money " you said you had 4 of them ?
Like I said, I was trying to provide a reasonable comment based on our experience in EK and Dubai. Clearly I have forgotten Pprune is not the place for reasonable comments. Enjoy your negativity mate...
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aviation, haven't you learned anything. You can't post ANYTHING positive/factual about EK/Dubai here, even if it is IS true!
Kobus, I wouldn't call company accommodation 'rubbish'. I live out, but my time there was ok.
Kobus, I wouldn't call company accommodation 'rubbish'. I live out, but my time there was ok.