Does anyone have anything positive to say about EK?
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Ref Twiglet 18-30 hrs rest period avoidance.
I hear what you are saying ref cat naps etc , however, the stated goal of avoiding 18-30 hr rests is in the OM-A, our legal bible and the big stick used to thwack any "naughty" pilot.
If EK believe that the 18-30 hr rests are all OK and don't fatigue unduly, why is this goal still in the OM-A? Or can we now pick and choose which bits we must obey?
It is all about consistency from my point of view and historically EK has been consistent only in bending it's own rules and using us as guinea pigs.
My own experience, some 39 years, tells me that 18-30 rests absolutely kill me regardless of what anyone says.
I hear what you are saying ref cat naps etc , however, the stated goal of avoiding 18-30 hr rests is in the OM-A, our legal bible and the big stick used to thwack any "naughty" pilot.
If EK believe that the 18-30 hr rests are all OK and don't fatigue unduly, why is this goal still in the OM-A? Or can we now pick and choose which bits we must obey?
It is all about consistency from my point of view and historically EK has been consistent only in bending it's own rules and using us as guinea pigs.
My own experience, some 39 years, tells me that 18-30 rests absolutely kill me regardless of what anyone says.
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Entirely agree with you alwayzinit.
I thought EK had a stab at adressing this issue as a trial on the MNL flights where you got either a very short (14 hours) or a very long (30+ hours) layover, which meant that one sleep was enough on the short layover and two could be achieved on the longer layover.
We have enough daily services to most destinations to make this viable do we not?
I thought EK had a stab at adressing this issue as a trial on the MNL flights where you got either a very short (14 hours) or a very long (30+ hours) layover, which meant that one sleep was enough on the short layover and two could be achieved on the longer layover.
We have enough daily services to most destinations to make this viable do we not?
The layover timings for LHR were changed like that several years ago when still on the 777. It didn't last long as the crews complained.
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Had the Bookies been offering odds on EK choosing the shorter of the 2 options................................... SV, as I understand it from a buddy there, plan 30+ hr layovers as do most other longhaul operators, as a minimum.
EK have one critical problem which is lack of pilots to fly their ever expanding program. Without pilots EVERYTHING else is mute.
They are getting enough in at the bottom, according to recruitment, but failing to retain those evaporating from the top( at one per day I hear) so essentially all that is happening is the number stays the same +/- but the level of experience on the Flt Deck continues to descend.
Trust, once lost, is very difficult to recover, however, the 9th floor seem to think that it is our fault, posting here, that have caused the problem.
They conveniently forget that when we were content and fairly treated we were their best recruiting tool.
EK have one critical problem which is lack of pilots to fly their ever expanding program. Without pilots EVERYTHING else is mute.
They are getting enough in at the bottom, according to recruitment, but failing to retain those evaporating from the top( at one per day I hear) so essentially all that is happening is the number stays the same +/- but the level of experience on the Flt Deck continues to descend.
Trust, once lost, is very difficult to recover, however, the 9th floor seem to think that it is our fault, posting here, that have caused the problem.
They conveniently forget that when we were content and fairly treated we were their best recruiting tool.
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For what it's worth, the actually loss averaged 19 per month in the last 12 months, give or take. Not quite 1 per day but pretty dire nonetheless. This does include retirements as well as those looking for greener pastures. Current recruitment is just about reaching the desired numbers but that's without accounting for the departing. With the net requirement for 60-65 new hires per month, (14-16 each week), 20-25% of that resource is walking out the door....and with it often years of experience.
It would be a best guess to say that we may well see our first parked aircraft towards the end of this year.
Harry
It would be a best guess to say that we may well see our first parked aircraft towards the end of this year.
Harry
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Most pilots being of the "belt-and-braces" nature, I would imagine many would time their resignation to ensure that they receive the profit share should some miracle occur this year.
The soonest you can resign and get profit share in accordance with historical practice is February 26th. It would be interesting to observe the resignation numbers in the first days of March, if one had access....
The soonest you can resign and get profit share in accordance with historical practice is February 26th. It would be interesting to observe the resignation numbers in the first days of March, if one had access....
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It would be a best guess to say that we may well see our first parked aircraft towards the end of this year.
So basically we don't have to wait until the end of the year!
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I take note of the talk of lack of crew and the parking area full of unused aircraft, but can anyone give us definitive and factual information regarding cancelled flights on established routes? Surely that is the marker we're looking for. I'm yet to experience or hear of a flight that's been cancelled. Anyone else have any other info?
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https://aviability.com/flight-number...ek797-emirates
EK797 operates Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun
Didn't operate Tuesday the 9th, Lack of crew?? who knows
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE797
EK797 operates Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun
Didn't operate Tuesday the 9th, Lack of crew?? who knows
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE797
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Hidden Costs
Could anyone give me a breakdown of the hidden costs associated with a move to ek?
I read on another post that you could expect to be out of pocket following the move, however with the car loan, furnishing allowance and school fees covered I'm wondering where the costs are coming from other than paying for internet to be connected and other small bits and bobs....
I'm also looking at a job not too far away and they don't seem to provide any assistance other than flying your family out and offering you a loan.
Cheers
I read on another post that you could expect to be out of pocket following the move, however with the car loan, furnishing allowance and school fees covered I'm wondering where the costs are coming from other than paying for internet to be connected and other small bits and bobs....
I'm also looking at a job not too far away and they don't seem to provide any assistance other than flying your family out and offering you a loan.
Cheers
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Car loan is 70,000 dhms. So it will depend on what you buy.
Take a look at the furnishing allowance and then go online and see what you can get! If you are buying new it will cover a fridge, stove, washer and dryer and a few other things. If you are single and in an apartment that might work. Family and a house--you will be out of pocket. Buy used on dubizzle and check the major company websites for costs. You can figure out how much it will cost you quite easily.
I would say for the average family, even with the allowances, you will be out of pocket and as an FO you will not save any money the first year. This of course all depends on what and how you buy. One car, cheap furnishings (or used) etc and you will make out OK.
My experience, watching new joiners, is they show up bright eyed, buy all the newest stuff, big TV, 2 cars - trying to make sure the family is happy. Good plan if that is what it takes! But it is expensive.
Take a look at the furnishing allowance and then go online and see what you can get! If you are buying new it will cover a fridge, stove, washer and dryer and a few other things. If you are single and in an apartment that might work. Family and a house--you will be out of pocket. Buy used on dubizzle and check the major company websites for costs. You can figure out how much it will cost you quite easily.
I would say for the average family, even with the allowances, you will be out of pocket and as an FO you will not save any money the first year. This of course all depends on what and how you buy. One car, cheap furnishings (or used) etc and you will make out OK.
My experience, watching new joiners, is they show up bright eyed, buy all the newest stuff, big TV, 2 cars - trying to make sure the family is happy. Good plan if that is what it takes! But it is expensive.
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What Trader said.
We bought a used car, and one kid was in the "You pay for it." school year. I figure it was about 3.5 years until we were at a break even to move back home. One car and company housing. It is the little things. Curtains, garden, etc., that added up. Food is pricey about 2-3 times what we spent in US. With a 5 year bond you now have to include that cost if you decide you don't like it here. The thing here is they are killing us with the schedules. I mean it. They have been for years. You are giving up your health coming here. It will get worse not better. Welcome aboard though. Best of luck. The Staff Mart and dubizzle.com are good. Filter the stuff to include expat communities only and you should find almost everything you need in good shape. Lucky's in Sharja is good for wood furniture.
We bought a used car, and one kid was in the "You pay for it." school year. I figure it was about 3.5 years until we were at a break even to move back home. One car and company housing. It is the little things. Curtains, garden, etc., that added up. Food is pricey about 2-3 times what we spent in US. With a 5 year bond you now have to include that cost if you decide you don't like it here. The thing here is they are killing us with the schedules. I mean it. They have been for years. You are giving up your health coming here. It will get worse not better. Welcome aboard though. Best of luck. The Staff Mart and dubizzle.com are good. Filter the stuff to include expat communities only and you should find almost everything you need in good shape. Lucky's in Sharja is good for wood furniture.
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I'd disagree about the furnishing allowance. It depends on how simple your tastes are. We furnished a 3 bed apartment from Ikea plus white goods & tv from Carrefour and still had money left over. If you want to go to Marina or Crate & Barrel etc. you'd struggle to furnish a 2 bed. Dubizzle & Luckys both good resources as well.
Note of caution, a common misconception amongst new joiners is that the company car loan can be used as a deposit on a flash motor. Not the case as that is explicitly prohibited.
Note of caution, a common misconception amongst new joiners is that the company car loan can be used as a deposit on a flash motor. Not the case as that is explicitly prohibited.
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So how does it work? Let's say I want to buy a car for 100.000 Dhs. The 70.000 will be discounted from my sallary and the other 30.000 I'd have to pay at once when buying it? The 70.000 loan that EK provides is not a deposit? So how one should use it when buying the car?