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German Pilot Union has an open ear

Old 11th Feb 2016, 23:30
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Change

Some of you believe the current system can change from within.

Some of you are afraid of mean spirited German colleagues. They would rather stick with the owners' proven humanitarian love for their labourers and the managerial integrity of the English middle management.

None of you have denied a need for change.

I believe that a hollow shell of a regulatory body is not acceptable. It hurts us as individuals. It hurts competition. It destroys our profession. It fools the passengers. That's the point we made to VC. They understand and want to help because it is also in the interest of any airline pilot.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 07:59
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I totally agree what you say!

Just remember that since the WSJ Article nothing has changed. So thats why more pressure is now needed to get things rolling.

Regulatory Affairs just sent an email to ops to remove the check in timeline.
While the timeline is still present on the screens in the briefing rooms!

Looks like most Pilots are not aware that they knowingly violate the law on every flight.

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Old 12th Feb 2016, 13:30
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Unions helping management to take down a competitor!!! Plausible theory but with so much bad blood between EU unions and airlines, they being bed fellows, highly unlikely.

We know that ME3 have long reach and able restrict freedom of speech in the west and on the internet, we also know governments cannot help in current situation, so IMHO a union like VC is best suited to help or at least to gather information and get the big picture.

All world has right now is lot of rumors, actively being discounted by well funded overactive PR.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 15:05
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Irregularities in the Training Department

Just got to know about some more shocking facts how our Training Department is operated and controlled by fleet.

Guys getting warning letters for having failed a PPC which was never failed, when the warnings are questioned fleet answers ' Its considered an internal fail'

Instructors beeing punished for giving too good grades.

Students get all kind of warnings during their training.

poorly conducted line Checks by TRE/TRI

So there is more stuff to be undisclosed!

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Old 12th Feb 2016, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Talparc View Post
Just got to know about some more shocking facts how our Training Department is operated and controlled by fleet.

Guys getting warning letters for having failed a PPC which was never failed, when the warnings are questioned fleet answers ' Its considered an internal fail'

Instructors beeing punished for giving too good grades.

Students get all kind of warnings during their training.

poorly conducted line Checks by TRE/TRI

So there is more stuff to be undisclosed!
Jesus. I have been lurking on these forums for a while and work for one of the "big 3" in the US. The stuff I read on here is shocking. Hope for better days for you guys.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 04:45
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Talparc

Pilots come under the control of fleet. Fleet set the rules and set the requirements for the training department to undertake on their behalf. Training therefore provides a service for which fleet is in effect the 'customer'.

Your post contains much generalisations and is full of inaccuracy. If your post was designed to create further misinformation regarding EK employment, judging from g-code's reply, you've achieved it.

On a serious note, may I ask if you really do work for EK and if so, how long have you been here?

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Old 13th Feb 2016, 06:59
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Talpa , not trying to defend EK, but mate you need to chill. If you have been dealt with poorly bring it up with JA or MM. Don't try to get sympathy here.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 21:20
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I think Talparc may have witnessed one of those stories that can only happen in Dubai. You don't believe them until they happen to you.
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 05:47
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I happen to know a few TREs and a couple of them very closely, they know nothing about what Talparc is going on about.

Plenty of negatives already physically present, no need to make extra stuff up.
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Old 16th Feb 2016, 12:41
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ICAO is listening now as well

Just got to know that even ICAO has now started an investigation after several
formal complaints have been filed.

Lets hope for some good news soon
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 12:40
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This is not first time and this won't be the last time, but don't hold much hope in ICAO finding anything. Generally they don't. They are busy harassing Thailand for not training enough flight safety inspectors.

Keep in mind UAE was runner up for ICAO head position last year.
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 13:49
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Just got to know that even ICAO has now started an investigation...
Just got to know about some more shocking facts...
Talparc

It seems that you "just got to know" a lot of things... None of them seems to be substantial/factual.
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 16:56
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Whether you have faith in the UAE/EK reporting systems or not, going to another nation's and competitor carrier's union is incredibly foolish. What interest do they have in our case? They want to put EK out of business, at least out of the EU, and us out of a job. Think about others' motives before jumping into bed with them.
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 18:21
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Perhaps this thread shows the nature of how employees (both past and current) feel about EK and the horrible nature that it promotes. There is no Labour Law that pilots can use against the company. EK do nothing to retain FD staff and continually downgrade the package and work people to dangerous levels. The threat of JCockpit might make them re-visit the nasty punitive and viciousness that is their default mode. One could infer that people feel so desperate and hard done by by EK that they are prepared to engage with people who clearly don't have their jobs at heart. There again, neither does EK.
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 22:10
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Interresting Article in German Handelsblatt about Pilot Shortage

unfortunately in German

Emirates und der Pilotenmangel: Golf-Airline stößt an die Grenzen des Wachstums
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 23:51
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going to another nation's and competitor carrier's union is incredibly foolish. What interest do they have in our case? They want to put EK out of business
Rubbish, Lufthansa is making huge profits. It's all about the level playing field.
It is far from level and everybody knows it.
For instance factoring, if only that would be judged illegal by EU (or US) authorities it would make a big difference and an improvement for you guys.
The EU unions are your backdoor to the european parliament.
Use them!

Or perhaps you are saying that EU airlines should do factoring as well? Then nobody can argue against the unions getting involved.
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 14:35
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Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra View Post
Rubbish, Lufthansa is making huge profits. It's all about the level playing field.
It is far from level and everybody knows it.
For instance factoring, if only that would be judged illegal by EU (or US) authorities it would make a big difference and an improvement for you guys.
The EU unions are your backdoor to the european parliament.
Use them!

Or perhaps you are saying that EU airlines should do factoring as well? Then nobody can argue against the unions getting involved.
Given past experiences of unions I was in not caring about their own members, I find it incredulous that any union has any good intention for non members. I'm sorry, but this play by the Germans is not for our benefit, and them claiming it to be so should make everyone even more suspicious.
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 19:47
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First of all, I have no connection whatsoever to VC or German aviation and am only watching them, and you, from a distance.
A few years ago my circumstances were getting so dire that I started to roam the ME forums to get a feel for opportunities around. Fortunately my situation has become more comfortable again but am still following these forums with interest (and sympathy).
Obviously foreign unions shouldn't (and couldn't) have anything to do with whatever labouragreements or contracts you have but when there is any unfair advantage because of (GCAA's interpretation of) FTL's nobody can blame them to get involved.
The european unions have their connections and lobbyists in legislation and while they are usually opposed by the airlines, now they all have a common goal to level the playing field.
Just like the Irish and Dutch ALPA are more or less involved in the Ryanair Pilot Group, so can the German ALPA certainly be of assistance to you.

But as I said, am absolutely not involved here, just my opinion and don't want to speak on anybody's behalf..
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 19:47
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Perhaps the OP was referring to this proverb in Arabic

'عدو عدوي هو صديقي' ('Adu 'Aduyi Hooweh Ssadikki)

My enemy's enemy is my friend
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 13:14
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Golfyankeesierra:

excellent post!
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