Ek: how many hours will you fly in February ?
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I think Chesty is based in the UK with a Northern LCC. That is why he doesn't want to compare salaries. He has us well beaten on lifestyle though. You take the money (literally) and make your choice.
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On the contrary I'm quite happy to compare salaries. Pretty irrelevant competition though considering it's all public knowledge.
How knackered you are at the end of your 100+ hour months is something else.
How knackered you are at the end of your 100+ hour months is something else.
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Apparently one of your colleagues has applied to EK as a DEC.
Apparently one of your colleagues has applied to EK as a DEC.
In the other hand..., we have a few former EK pilots here, even one T7 captain that came as an F/O, you might think his choice is senseless but it doesn't matter what you think, if he and his family feel better about their lifestyle, that is all that matters.
If someone's tired of doing the same old thing of freighter Okinawa turns, they move on...., that is the nature of this business, there is no greener pastures, they are all different shades of brown
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Apparently one of your colleagues has applied to EK as a DEC.
As Dom said, we've got (had) a few EK refugees and they seem pretty happy here and prefer the lifestyle to EK. Actually, we've got two 777 captains but I've got my suspicions about one of them...the other is a top bloke. It's a shame that our network is so restricted, especially when compared to the likes of EK and it would be nice to fly something with nicer gadgets and TVs than the 767 but, at the end of the day, lifestyle is the No.1 factor and I think ours is not too bad. It could be improved upon and is certainly not perfect, so if PARC & CREW are reading this, get your act together!
I'm going for different shades of grey, rather than Dom's brown.....apparently it's more fun
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Frate
(Now that hijack successful)
On average how many days CONSECUTIVELY are you away from home on average per month?
Thanks
(Now that hijack successful)
On average how many days CONSECUTIVELY are you away from home on average per month?
Thanks
It depends on what option of days off/commuting you choose...., this is exclusively a commuting contract and the company will NOT sponsor residency in Japan but some guys do live there (married to Japanese ladies, other residency means etc.) then it is two to four days at a time.
If you commute, then it depends if you take your vacation days every month or you do back to back days off...., the good thing here is that you have a lot of freedom to choose your days off.
I use my vacation days every month and stretch the block of days off to 14 in a row, then I bid days off back to back once a year to take my vacation with 28 days in a row....., some guys work back to back duty days and do a work rotation of 34 days and then get 28 off etc.
It all depends on what pattern of days off you choose.
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Just read the TransAsia crash report, blames the pilots but also included this:
"The report advised TransAsia to hire more pilots to reduce workload and ......"
Sound familiar?
http://http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35438567
"The report advised TransAsia to hire more pilots to reduce workload and ......"
Sound familiar?
http://http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35438567
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117 hours? That is just insane. Might be manageable in a two or three time zone wide operation, but with 3 ULRs......ridiculous. But you'll get a month of leave afterwards, right?
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In 30 days between mid December and mid January I did 117 hours block.
3 ULRs and 2 Euros
LHS 777
3 ULRs and 2 Euros
LHS 777
How are your rest rules defined? Is it xx hrs per calendar month, or per 30 days etc?
Here in the US, under the new rules, we're limited to 100hrs of flying in 672hrs (28 days).
I ask, because as oddly as our rule is written, it helps in a situation like yours where (I presume) DEC was back loaded, and JAN was front loaded.
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Chk Airman...
At EK, they don't get any credit for the month for all bunk time doing these ULR's they talk about. They get paid but no credit. So, while a max month might be say 100 hours, they only credit for say 85 meaning the company can (and absolutely does) roster them for more flying.
117 hours in the jet - credited for only 90 - paid for 117.
Kap
PS... no credit either for:
Vacation days...
Sim training....
Ground school
At EK, they don't get any credit for the month for all bunk time doing these ULR's they talk about. They get paid but no credit. So, while a max month might be say 100 hours, they only credit for say 85 meaning the company can (and absolutely does) roster them for more flying.
117 hours in the jet - credited for only 90 - paid for 117.
Kap
PS... no credit either for:
Vacation days...
Sim training....
Ground school
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Chk Airman
It's 100 hours in a rolling 28 days.
So you can start a 17 hour 1 leg sector on the 28th day if your look back 28 days was 99.9 hours.
If it's 100.1 you can't do the flight.
It's 100 hours in a rolling 28 days.
So you can start a 17 hour 1 leg sector on the 28th day if your look back 28 days was 99.9 hours.
If it's 100.1 you can't do the flight.
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Thanks Kap,
fliion,
That seems a lot like the old part 121 rule of "legal to start, legal to finish"
On the west coast of the Atlantic, at no point in time should you be able to look back and count 100hrs of flight time.
In your example, our software starts at the END of the flight, and looks back 672hrs to ensure that you don't exceed the limit. That way, you could never legally start that 17hr leg.
I hope that important regulatory distinction makes it into your rulebooks. 100 hrs with 10 days off every month cannot be safe!
fliion,
Chk Airman
It's 100 hours in a rolling 28 days.
So you can start a 17 hour 1 leg sector on the 28th day if your look back 28 days was 99.9 hours.
If it's 100.1 you can't do the flight.
It's 100 hours in a rolling 28 days.
So you can start a 17 hour 1 leg sector on the 28th day if your look back 28 days was 99.9 hours.
If it's 100.1 you can't do the flight.
On the west coast of the Atlantic, at no point in time should you be able to look back and count 100hrs of flight time.
In your example, our software starts at the END of the flight, and looks back 672hrs to ensure that you don't exceed the limit. That way, you could never legally start that 17hr leg.
I hope that important regulatory distinction makes it into your rulebooks. 100 hrs with 10 days off every month cannot be safe!
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Fatigue
I would highly suggest when and if you have to file an ASR due to level bust etc. IF Fatigue may have played a role, it needs to be mentioned in your report. Either long or short term fatigue. You guys appear to working way past anything that could be deemed safe, and are certainly paying the price with your long term health. Cannon fodder comes to mind.