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I assume the new hire bonus was to DEC's or DEP's, because I have a number of friends who've joined the firm in other positions (Cabin Crew etc) who get nothing at EK upon signing.
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You have to be on the payroll when it's paid out, which by the book is June salary, but historically has been done in May....
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Either you're extremely gullible or like giving a good wind up! Having literally just spoken with someone who's recently joined and is a very good friend of the family, that rumour can be discounted 100%. He's starting on the basic salary, without any 'bonus' and is in Meydan. That's it. He's one of 16 in his batch, 1 week behind another group of similar numbered students.
I guess the Company are starting to get their required 60-65 a month after all and from recent training feedback, the prop guys are pretty switched on. Most have flown jets, just not all their hours though.
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Either you're extremely gullible or like giving a good wind up! Having literally just spoken with someone who's recently joined and is a very good friend of the family, that rumour can be discounted 100%. He's starting on the basic salary, without any 'bonus' and is in Meydan. That's it. He's one of 16 in his batch, 1 week behind another group of similar numbered students.
I guess the Company are starting to get their required 60-65 a month after all and from recent training feedback, the prop guys are pretty switched on. Most have flown jets, just not all their hours though.
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The prop guys will be fine.
The problem is, it's a fundamental change in what the airline is.
It's now a place for young guns to get their first jet experience, no doubt to then move on to better things.
Emirates used to BE the better thing experienced pilots came to.
The problem is, it's a fundamental change in what the airline is.
It's now a place for young guns to get their first jet experience, no doubt to then move on to better things.
Emirates used to BE the better thing experienced pilots came to.
No, experienced guys came because their company went bust.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
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No, experienced guys came because their company went bust.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
If there is a sign on bonus, maybe they should give it to the assessment team to stop them from failing DECs? What is the current failure rate, 99%?
Failing an assessment can put a dent in your record, and the screening should not be tainted by personal opinion on the DEC policy by the team.
As it is now, it is a complete waste of time to apply as a DEC.
The failure rate of DEC candidates has nothing to do with either EK nor the assessment team.
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As someone with first hand knowledge of our recruitment and selection process, I can assure Xiamen that there is no prejudice from the team.
The quality of many candidates is quite simply, shocking. It opens my eyes a little further every time I do the assessments. And that holds true for both FO and Capt applicants.
The quality of many candidates is quite simply, shocking. It opens my eyes a little further every time I do the assessments. And that holds true for both FO and Capt applicants.
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How do you judge the quality of a DEC? By 30 minutes in a SIM he's never flown? His ability to multiply fractions? Or by his experience and records?
How do you judge the quality of a DEC? By 30 minutes in a SIM he's never flown? His ability to multiply fractions? Or by his experience and records?
But how can you verify experience other than interviewing and observing a simulator? Most of the interview process looks at how you manage situations, and how well you play with the other kids.
Ek has hired DECs for decades. They have a good idea of what qualities they require. They will not let someone resign from a job to start training if there is any doubt they will get through the course.
Ek has hired DECs for decades. They have a good idea of what qualities they require. They will not let someone resign from a job to start training if there is any doubt they will get through the course.
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Haven't done any interviewing but I have done 2500 hours of LOSs/LOE/s and recurrent. I am going to guess my experience is the same as most: you can pretty much tell if the session is going to be successful or not even before the engines have been started.
Can't see why assessing a DEC should be not be an equally transparent exercise
Can't see why assessing a DEC should be not be an equally transparent exercise
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As someone with first hand knowledge of our recruitment and selection process, I can assure Xiamen that there is no prejudice from the team.
The quality of many candidates is quite simply, shocking. It opens my eyes a little further every time I do the assessments. And that holds true for both FO and Capt applicants.
The quality of many candidates is quite simply, shocking. It opens my eyes a little further every time I do the assessments. And that holds true for both FO and Capt applicants.
EK is very experienced in finding the right pilots, so this does not make sense.
If you are calling qualified pilots, the failure rate should not be 99%. The candidates can't all be retarded. An assessment is not rocket science, so the failure rate should be the roughly the same as for any other pilot assessment.
But it isn't. It is way higher.
The only conclusion can be this, the selection team is on a mission not to select DECs.
You mention DEP as well. The failure rate there is just as normal. Some bad, some good. As it should be.
Why?
Same reason EK pilots come here to paint a black picture of EK and everything related to EK and Dubai.
Parked aircraft due lack of pilots = possibilty of better T&C.
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No, experienced guys came because their company went bust.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
Then when hours were lowered, LCC guys came because it was less ****e than where they were. Even this seems debatable now it seems.
They've always been lucky here with airlines folding just at the right time.
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Conspiracy?
Try Occam's razor.
How they explain the failure rate to those higher up is a mystery to me, but stopping DECs is the most efficient way to stall reqruitment.
It has certainly stopped me from applying. I know my worth, and there is no way I am subjecting myself to a humiliating failure set up by the assessment team.
Good luck! You are the ones paying for this with 100 hrs/month.
Maybe, just maybe, it will work.
I have my doubt.
Try Occam's razor.
How they explain the failure rate to those higher up is a mystery to me, but stopping DECs is the most efficient way to stall reqruitment.
It has certainly stopped me from applying. I know my worth, and there is no way I am subjecting myself to a humiliating failure set up by the assessment team.
Good luck! You are the ones paying for this with 100 hrs/month.
Maybe, just maybe, it will work.
I have my doubt.
There is no conspiracy with recruitment. The sim assessment team are as fair and transparent a bunch as you can meet. A good thing you can say about EK without bias is that the pilot standard from recruitment is very good. Not everyone is Chuck Yeager and there are some eye - watering stories with some pilot candidate performance. Subsequently they should not be surprised to not get the job, DEC or RHS.
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The sim assessment is to display the ability to handle and prioritize a multi problem scenario, showing good SA throughout and assertiveness as required.
Its that simple.
Its generic as there is minimal manual flying, as long as you choose use the AP.
At least that was my experience when I did the DEC sim.
Its that simple.
Its generic as there is minimal manual flying, as long as you choose use the AP.
At least that was my experience when I did the DEC sim.
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Apparently, DECs of today can't fly with or without autopilot.
Fair and transparent?
Nothing of the sort. 0 transparency, no way to question their decisions.
That is the same anywhere you go, but if the team abuse their position, nobody can do anything about it.
Fair and transparent?
Nothing of the sort. 0 transparency, no way to question their decisions.
That is the same anywhere you go, but if the team abuse their position, nobody can do anything about it.
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you are just plane wrong. sorry. there is a set criteria for the selection process. this is what makes it transparent. the boxes must be ticked , the same for all. i know of several guys who have recently passed the DEC ride. what is true is that it is even easier than before, in that the standard has been lowered. it is simply not true that individuals in the selection progress have a grudge and are intentionally failing the DEC for no reason. it does not happen. there is a process and that process is followed. if you are that scared and paranoid about taking the assessment ... gonna guess you are not the quality of candidate we want. so good call in not applying. sorry if that harsh.