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Old 26th Dec 2015, 15:53
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Shocking news indeed - and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the victim.

A lot of chest beating by the no longer present 777boy..., however - and not being an apologist for the company - how exactly is EK responsible for this situation?

Additionally, what would you have them do?

Finally, these type of incidents never happen in good old Blighty do they 'Boy?
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 16:02
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Great to see the thread hijacked. I'll tell you what EK can do. They are the Landlord of many properties and could quite easily have EK security come and offer some advice to people who leave their families behind for days on end. They could have Farnek come and undertake some basic improvements at cost price. EK love to control EVERY facet of their staffs' lives. Why not assist and advise on security for the people who make money for them? I'll ignore your bait. If you had seen the pictures of poor R, you wouldn't be in such a playful mood. Blighty has never marketed itself as the safest place in the world. Unlike the place of safety and security that Dubai tries to market itself on. Happy Christmas to you and yours.
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 16:42
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Thread hijacked? No.

You are just being unrealistic.

I'm all for holding the company accountable for it's sins - but you draw a long bow on this one.
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 16:50
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Following on from the comments made above by 777boyindubai:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...ates/terrorism

http://abudhabi.usembassy.gov/mobile//sm_112215.html
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 16:51
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Wouldn't the police do far more as they are more capable that Emirates security alone in this sort of thing or is Emirates not pushing th Police enough? I'm sure R and indeed other victims in the past have filed with the Police and presumably there have been some sort of investigations, foresics, et cetera. Do you think the police is doing enough?
I don't think Emirates appreciates the consequences of this sort of thing. All the best R
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 22:01
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Whilst the company cannot be held directly responsible for such events, they do have a vital role to play in minimising the possibility of such events taking place.

EK has a duty of care towards its employees and that duty of care extends to those who reside in accommodation that has been provided by the company. I suspect that increasing the level of security around company villas is something that the company will want to avoid if at all possible. It doesn't project the image of the safe utopia that the company is so keen to promote Dubai as being. The company will do its utmost to hide and dismiss such events which is beyond contempt.

Personally ensuring that you and your personal property is secure, goes without saying. However the company has a role to play in ensuring that the effectiveness of your own security measures is never actually brought to the test.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 00:53
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Biff,

If you are an employer and sponsor someone, for example: a maid, or a driver. You have the responsability to provide them with proper and SAFE accomodation. If something happens to them, you are the one that they are going to turn to for help and support.

EK is our sponsor, I think asking for some support is fair!
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 07:35
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Playing Devils advocate here.

The employees also have a responsibility to express security concerns eg no gated compound with 24hr security - at which point the Co could offer Meydan.

Nasty event...but I'm not sure about pointing the finger at anyone other than the perp.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:10
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The Transguard security (part of EK) at the compounds are useless. They man barriers at the entrances, but let any and every vehicle in after merely recording the number plate and asking which villa it is visiting. They NEVER call the villa to check if they are expecting anyone, and the patrols never check on the legitimacy of the removals trucks taking possessions out of houses; the patrols just cycle past assuming all is well.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:15
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ekpilot - I agree with the sentiment, however - where do you draw the line?

In my opinion, the villa's in question are pretty secure - they have lockable outer gates, a 6ft wall between adjoining villas and deadlocking swinging doors.

They are in a quiet, upmarket part of Dubai.

This thread would have been more useful if the focus had been on informing the pilot group of the threat, and suggestions to avoid, trap and mitigate!
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 10:13
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A burglery gone bad, or a deliberate attack?
Has he had any conflicts with the locals lately? At work?
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 10:27
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Biff.
There are no Street lights at all on one of the streets where the 84 Villas are located. In addition, the gates you mentioned are not solid, one can easily put a hand in and lift up the bolt, push and they are in. The rear patio door can be levered out. Hence the suggestion of broomstick handles. A six foot wall isn't much of a deterrent with one guy to hoist the other up.

The criticism of EK would be unfair if they didn't try to rule everything else in their staff members' lives. From picking up pilots at a time convenient for EK. To direct salary deductions for phone bills. From TCAS telling us not to drink coffee in uniform. To telling us we can't have our overdue leave due to operational requirements. Enforced overtime...etc etc

As mentioned they have a duty of care to the staff that make them the money to ensure their families safety issues are as well taken care of as possible. The Puzzle Palace announces a new sporting sponsorship every other week it seems. Yet nothing to assist in anyway to counter the numerous attempted break ins, robberies and now this.I doubt what happened to R will be in the next edition of Safar (suffer)

We must take care of our families and neighbours. But EK also have a responsibility of care.

Flion rightly illudes to the point that EK will use this terrible incident to gain any advantage and, I believe hasten the move to Maydan.

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Old 27th Dec 2015, 10:35
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Perhaps similar to the staff welfare concern shown after the tragic passing of JJ. ...
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 11:06
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Definitely a sign of things to come.

JJ situation was also absolutely disgraceful
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 13:27
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JJ was a superstar. His family are often in my thoughts.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 13:37
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The official name of the 82 Villas is:

New Sheikh Ahmed bin Rashid Villas.

This gentleman is the owner:

Ahmed bin Rashid Al Maktoum
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ahmed bin Rashid Al Maktoum
Born Ahmed bin Rashid Al Maktoum
1950 (age 64–65)
Bur Dubai, Dubai
Occupation Major General
Title Sheikh
Religion Islam
Major General Sheikh Ahmed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum (Arabic: أحمد بن راشد آل مكتوم‎) (b. 1950 in Bur Dubai, Dubai) is the Deputy Chairman of Dubai Police & Public Security. He is the current Chairman of the Al Wasl FC club located in Dubai.
He is the fourth and youngest son of the late ruler, Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum (1912-1990). His elder brothers Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum and Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum are the Deputy Ruler and Ruler of Dubai respectively.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 14:18
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I miss JJ, he was an amazing guy
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 15:26
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Seems to me the takeaway from the story is simply yet another tick in the "con" column of reasons not to move to Dubai or work for EK.

But in the end, the true believers will defend, the foolish will join, and the band plays on.

At least it's consistent. Scratch the shiny surface to see the sh$t.
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 12:32
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I am not defending what has happened here, but lets be realistic - most of us from the western world lived in cities where such things occur frequently, and most of us in streets that had suffered burglaries. This is a horrible incident, and I hope R recovers well, but let's not get so hysterical as to forget it happens back home too.
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 15:08
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A door step attack is an escalation in this "low" crime environment that of which we should all take note.

A quick visit to the Dragon Mart will net you 2x IR motion activated CCTV plus DVR and the fixings for around 600 aed.

Put ours up in an afternoon covering our car port/garage, garden entrance and back door.

It won't stop a nutter but may deter some petty pilfering.

Best wishes and a speedy recovery to R.
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