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I'm currently a Capt with Canada's second largest airline based in YYC with 7-8000 hours of PIC on the NG. I'm too old to fit into an FO position at Emirates and really can't complain about my job, however our govt is now run by a group of liberals that feel they need to feed the poor using my credit card. Because of this I'm now in a tax bracket that is totally unacceptable. Does anyone think that the 50 year old age limit would be lifted either with Emirates or the shop :45 mins south of Dubai?
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I get the impression Anson that he means he's sick of feeding the lazy sods who don't like to work for a living! The tree-huggers in government will call them 'the poor'.
I too resented paying tax to pay for lazy sods!
I too resented paying tax to pay for lazy sods!
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Greetings Anson, pushing a 53% tax bracket between the provincial bandits (NDP) and the federal Liberals I feel it's getting a bit much. I'm not advocating to screw the poor and hungry but I have commitments that I'm accountable for also. If you're feeling generous though I'm sure Justin Trudeau and his entourage would be open to any donations...
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I'm currently a Capt with Canada's second largest airline based in YYC with 7-8000 hours of PIC on the NG. I'm too old to fit into an FO position at Emirates and really can't complain about my job, however our govt is now run by a group of liberals that feel they need to feed the poor using my credit card. Because of this I'm now in a tax bracket that is totally unacceptable. Does anyone think that the 50 year old age limit would be lifted either with Emirates or the shop :45 mins south of Dubai?
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KTM300XC-W - I work here in Canada too and yes the tax brackets are expanding, the more you make the more you pay and you net earnings after tax are really minuscule. The Liberals promised a tax hike to improve income for the middle and lower class - just gotta live with it.
Now on the topic of going to the ME, eventually that is my goal too but only because i have history and family there.
If you do apply to QA EK EY or FZ, just know the COLA is very high in those countries. Your salary will look nice given no tax, but the costs associated with that salary and the hours you put in make the end income comparable to that of Canada. Its a choice as to where you are comfortable living.
Dont go for the money, balance your career goals with family life and decide.
Now on the topic of going to the ME, eventually that is my goal too but only because i have history and family there.
If you do apply to QA EK EY or FZ, just know the COLA is very high in those countries. Your salary will look nice given no tax, but the costs associated with that salary and the hours you put in make the end income comparable to that of Canada. Its a choice as to where you are comfortable living.
Dont go for the money, balance your career goals with family life and decide.
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Care to explain your post alloha? I would bet that most people were drawn to the ME for the tax or should I say "lack of" structure. Who are you to critize my dis-like for high taxes that usually get squandered on Govt programs, politicans life time pensions are other perks that the normal working citizens will never enjoy. At least I've posted where I live, who I work for and have never complained about my employer, you however are hiding behind your keyboard, probably in the middle east scared that your employer will reprimand you while you enjoy your tax free dollars.
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Seriously Alloha, this is meant to be a professional site.
KTM is making a genuine enquiry and explaining his reasoning. I personally don't think coming here is a great idea but who knows his exact circumstances.
While I and I'm sure KTM completely support the principle of taxes to help unfortunates whose circumstances are beyond their control and for the benefit of all in general, I too object to excessive tax. At some point it would make us all wards of the state when all we want is to pay a reasonable tax and be allowed to take care of our own futures.
And given the levels of government corruption, incompetent spending and their general inability or unwillingness to tax those who can well afford it, like the major corporations whose tax rates are lower than the bottom of the rung taxpayers, I too have serious issues when the middle class has to pay the total bill.
When Goldmann Sachs, Monsanto, Starbucks, Apple and the all the rest pay 53% tax, you can have a go at KTM but right now he's just trying to get by like the rest of us.
He's exploring his options and willing to work. That's good enough for me.
KTM is making a genuine enquiry and explaining his reasoning. I personally don't think coming here is a great idea but who knows his exact circumstances.
While I and I'm sure KTM completely support the principle of taxes to help unfortunates whose circumstances are beyond their control and for the benefit of all in general, I too object to excessive tax. At some point it would make us all wards of the state when all we want is to pay a reasonable tax and be allowed to take care of our own futures.
And given the levels of government corruption, incompetent spending and their general inability or unwillingness to tax those who can well afford it, like the major corporations whose tax rates are lower than the bottom of the rung taxpayers, I too have serious issues when the middle class has to pay the total bill.
When Goldmann Sachs, Monsanto, Starbucks, Apple and the all the rest pay 53% tax, you can have a go at KTM but right now he's just trying to get by like the rest of us.
He's exploring his options and willing to work. That's good enough for me.
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i'm with KTM300XC. Why do i have to pay more taxes because i busted my balls to finally manage to make good money ? this isn't the US boys and Gals, pretty much anybody with a will to succeed can make it here. I did, and from scratch. I'm not rich by all means but i make a good coin...on paper ! cause what's left is.....
Canada is becoming full of welfare people and pseudo-victims !
Canada is becoming full of welfare people and pseudo-victims !
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Someone actually asked that question today at the meeting...
Troff and KTM
Yes the representative said there is no age cap for pilots. But they do expect someone who's 40+ to have the relevant experience for that age. eg 7000+ hrs, jet time, PIC galore etc.
Starting pay is about $11,000 a month + $5000 housing allowance + $2000 flying bonus (tax free)
He said guys are flying 95-105 hour months right now because they're short staffed. They're looking for 550 pilot over the next year.
I read last year 40,000 applicants from 227 countries applied. 2000 positions were filled. (this includes all flight crew positions).
Almost all their focus is on F.O's right now however they are hiring direct entry captain for the A330 right now, however the posting is to be deleted in the next week or two.
They used to have an accelerated upgrade program for guys like yourself, however they haven't used that since 2002.
Income is technically tax free however if you have any ties to Canada (i.e wife that stays here, drivers license, home etc. - you can expect to be slapped with a canadian tax payment upon your return).
5 year bond of $41,000USD. 4 year upgrade times for 777. Also was shown a typical schedule for a 777 guy. YIKES. Scary amount of long haul and 4-6 day pairings.Longest is a 9 day pairing. 22 day work months with a rotating seniority of 5 groups (for what ever metal you're on). Once ever 5 months you get top bid within the seniority of your group. 30 reserve days a year, with 30 minute call out time.. otherwise all straight flying. Example of pairing given was Dubai - Bankok - Sydney - Christchurch - Bankok - San Fran - Dubai (Dont remember how many days this was). 30 must take leave days a year, with optional 15 more - those 15 haven't been happening for the guys there lately.
Some other details that I'll omit unless someone has something specific to ask. I have 3000hrs, On a Dornier 328, felt very out experienced and out of my league with the calibre of guys at the meeting. Lots of 737NG left seaters, couple of WJ Mainline cptns, and a few like myself.
Hope this helps everyone. All right from the Emirates meet up today.
Yes the representative said there is no age cap for pilots. But they do expect someone who's 40+ to have the relevant experience for that age. eg 7000+ hrs, jet time, PIC galore etc.
Starting pay is about $11,000 a month + $5000 housing allowance + $2000 flying bonus (tax free)
He said guys are flying 95-105 hour months right now because they're short staffed. They're looking for 550 pilot over the next year.
I read last year 40,000 applicants from 227 countries applied. 2000 positions were filled. (this includes all flight crew positions).
Almost all their focus is on F.O's right now however they are hiring direct entry captain for the A330 right now, however the posting is to be deleted in the next week or two.
They used to have an accelerated upgrade program for guys like yourself, however they haven't used that since 2002.
Income is technically tax free however if you have any ties to Canada (i.e wife that stays here, drivers license, home etc. - you can expect to be slapped with a canadian tax payment upon your return).
5 year bond of $41,000USD. 4 year upgrade times for 777. Also was shown a typical schedule for a 777 guy. YIKES. Scary amount of long haul and 4-6 day pairings.Longest is a 9 day pairing. 22 day work months with a rotating seniority of 5 groups (for what ever metal you're on). Once ever 5 months you get top bid within the seniority of your group. 30 reserve days a year, with 30 minute call out time.. otherwise all straight flying. Example of pairing given was Dubai - Bankok - Sydney - Christchurch - Bankok - San Fran - Dubai (Dont remember how many days this was). 30 must take leave days a year, with optional 15 more - those 15 haven't been happening for the guys there lately.
Some other details that I'll omit unless someone has something specific to ask. I have 3000hrs, On a Dornier 328, felt very out experienced and out of my league with the calibre of guys at the meeting. Lots of 737NG left seaters, couple of WJ Mainline cptns, and a few like myself.
Hope this helps everyone. All right from the Emirates meet up today.
Last edited by Chainy; 27th Oct 2015 at 03:23. Reason: More detailed info.
Dubai - Bankok - Sydney - Christchurch - Bankok - San Fran - Dubai (
We don't fly Bankok to SFO- that pairing goes from BKK back to DXB. At 9 days that is our longest trip, though actually one of the less fatiguing as you get reasonable rest time down route.
Dubai-Washington-Dubai with 24hrs rest is a killer.
I have 3000hrs, On a Dornier 328, felt very out experienced and out of my league with the calibre of guys at the meeting.
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...and the bit about 4 year upgrades on 777.
The guys upgrading on 777 now joined 4 years 9 months ago. The upgrade times are going to increase significantly from now on. If you joined the 777 fleet now, you would have over 1100 F/Os ahead of you. Are they really going to upgrade almost 300 F/Os a year just on the 777 fleet?
And then there are the 100 or so DECs every few years...
The guys upgrading on 777 now joined 4 years 9 months ago. The upgrade times are going to increase significantly from now on. If you joined the 777 fleet now, you would have over 1100 F/Os ahead of you. Are they really going to upgrade almost 300 F/Os a year just on the 777 fleet?
And then there are the 100 or so DECs every few years...
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Ah good to know!
I must've mis-heard the part about the pairing. The upgrade time does seem a bit ambitious with the rate of hire.
Question for u..
Are you happy there? Was it a good move? Do you have family there with you/wife/kids?
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Question for u..
Are you happy there? Was it a good move? Do you have family there with you/wife/kids?
Thanks!
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Although I'm always in favour of people keeping their options open, I'm a little surprised that a WJ Capt would be so upset at a new tax bracket to warrant a move to the middle east.
The highest hourly pay on airlinepilotcentral has the rate of $210 an hour. Which, based on 78 credits gives $196,560. Let's assume with investments etc. you're making another $50k or so. That gives $250,000. So what does the new tax bracket mean to someone earning $250,000 per year?
Federally, yes, the new Liberals are proposing a new bracket of 33% for any income earned about $200,000. So, on the $50,000 you earn above $200k, you'll now get charged $16,500 in taxes instead of $14,500, an increase of $2,000. At the same time, however, the Liberals are proposing a tax cut for any amounts of money earned between $44,701 and $89,401, there will be a tax cut from 22% to 20.5%, or $670 dollars.
Combining the tax increase on the income from $200k-$250k with the tax cut on the $44-$89k means a net increase in tax for a $250,000 earner of ($2,000 - $670) $1330.
So, do we pay lots of taxes as Canadians? Yup. But, does a $1330 increase in taxes on an income of $250,000 (which is in the top 1% of income earners) in Canada warrant moving to the Middle East?
If you're making even more than $250,000, good for you! But the new increases only work out to an extra $40 per year on each additional $1000 that you're already paying in taxes.
The highest hourly pay on airlinepilotcentral has the rate of $210 an hour. Which, based on 78 credits gives $196,560. Let's assume with investments etc. you're making another $50k or so. That gives $250,000. So what does the new tax bracket mean to someone earning $250,000 per year?
Federally, yes, the new Liberals are proposing a new bracket of 33% for any income earned about $200,000. So, on the $50,000 you earn above $200k, you'll now get charged $16,500 in taxes instead of $14,500, an increase of $2,000. At the same time, however, the Liberals are proposing a tax cut for any amounts of money earned between $44,701 and $89,401, there will be a tax cut from 22% to 20.5%, or $670 dollars.
Combining the tax increase on the income from $200k-$250k with the tax cut on the $44-$89k means a net increase in tax for a $250,000 earner of ($2,000 - $670) $1330.
So, do we pay lots of taxes as Canadians? Yup. But, does a $1330 increase in taxes on an income of $250,000 (which is in the top 1% of income earners) in Canada warrant moving to the Middle East?
If you're making even more than $250,000, good for you! But the new increases only work out to an extra $40 per year on each additional $1000 that you're already paying in taxes.