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Was at clinic the other day . Young cabin crew came in. Clearly sick. Already had been in sick but needed an extension note from doctor. Was told 1430. It was not quite 10. I was a bit shocked. She looked awful. Thats fact.
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Nikita, with (limited) respect, you are beginning to make yourself look rather foolish!
You originally came to this forum with well constructed and meaningful posts about your plight at the hands of vile managers in EK ground/airport services, and I think in general we all felt sorry for you and were genuinely interested to hear how you were poorly treated even though it had absolutely nothing to do with being a Professional Pilot in Dubai or any other country for that matter.
Sadly though, my opinion of you has now changed! This I hasten to add is of your own doing... How dare you come along to a Professional Pilots (of which you are neither) Forum and spout childish vitriol towards a senior airline Captain.
I have been flying for 28 years ( a similar amount of time to Harry and many others here), we have worked our arses off to pass tough courses and exams over the years, not to mention 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars of financial sacrifice to get to our positions today - we have allowed our profession and our deserved pride to degrade horribly over the years and I'm damned if I'm going to sit back and idly observe someone who has NO CLUE what our job entails slag off a colleague whether I agree with their sentiments or not.... How bloody dare you!!!!!
There was nothing in Harry's post that wasn't factual, nor was there anything rude or cutting!
Yes its a 'public' forum - mores the pity as it allows people like you who know cock all about OUR industry to spout crap they now nothing about.
You have now exposed yourself (not in a good way - sorry DD) and shown your true colours and have succeeded in making yourself look silly! I now wander whether the 'vile' managers were absolutely spot on in telling you to piss off back to Eastern Europe - I know how they feel!
Phew, thats better - time for a beer!
(sorry for the thread drift folks, but it needed to be said)
You originally came to this forum with well constructed and meaningful posts about your plight at the hands of vile managers in EK ground/airport services, and I think in general we all felt sorry for you and were genuinely interested to hear how you were poorly treated even though it had absolutely nothing to do with being a Professional Pilot in Dubai or any other country for that matter.
Sadly though, my opinion of you has now changed! This I hasten to add is of your own doing... How dare you come along to a Professional Pilots (of which you are neither) Forum and spout childish vitriol towards a senior airline Captain.
I have been flying for 28 years ( a similar amount of time to Harry and many others here), we have worked our arses off to pass tough courses and exams over the years, not to mention 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars of financial sacrifice to get to our positions today - we have allowed our profession and our deserved pride to degrade horribly over the years and I'm damned if I'm going to sit back and idly observe someone who has NO CLUE what our job entails slag off a colleague whether I agree with their sentiments or not.... How bloody dare you!!!!!
There was nothing in Harry's post that wasn't factual, nor was there anything rude or cutting!
Yes its a 'public' forum - mores the pity as it allows people like you who know cock all about OUR industry to spout crap they now nothing about.
You have now exposed yourself (not in a good way - sorry DD) and shown your true colours and have succeeded in making yourself look silly! I now wander whether the 'vile' managers were absolutely spot on in telling you to piss off back to Eastern Europe - I know how they feel!
Phew, thats better - time for a beer!
(sorry for the thread drift folks, but it needed to be said)
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Easy to prove..
HTC,
Go into EGHQ anytime between 0800 and 1200 and it is full of people who have been waiting or will be waiting for hours. Last time I was there at 0830 after returning from an India flight I was told 4 hours and there were 120 names on the sign in clip board. Now pilots can only go to SZR so that's a plus. Max duty then go home change then drive myself to SZR to wait again. Yea...... Also, I personally had a 5 month period last year without a single layover so 9 turns in a row sounds very realistic as that doesn't even cover 1 month.
Go into EGHQ anytime between 0800 and 1200 and it is full of people who have been waiting or will be waiting for hours. Last time I was there at 0830 after returning from an India flight I was told 4 hours and there were 120 names on the sign in clip board. Now pilots can only go to SZR so that's a plus. Max duty then go home change then drive myself to SZR to wait again. Yea...... Also, I personally had a 5 month period last year without a single layover so 9 turns in a row sounds very realistic as that doesn't even cover 1 month.
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Lighten up Harry's supporters. This is just another online forum. Make a joke sometimes. Laugh. There is more of life, you just don't see it from all the sand in your eyes. 
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Whilst in no way supporting this daft policy of crew reporting at the clinic, perhaps you need to ask yourself why it's been instigated? I've flown with many a crew who've shown me their roster and openly stated that certain flights will be missed due 'sickness'. They're quite open about it and demonstrates what Oblaaspop alludes to in his post. There is generally a different professional attitude amongst junior cabin crew towards the job than their seniors and the majority of pilots. If they didn't chuck a sick every few months, this draconian policy wouldn't be required. Funny, the sickness rate has more than halved from what I hear since its inception.
I do, however, feel sorry for those genuinely sick so maybe your angst should be focused to those selfish sods who spoil it for everyone else.
Whilst in no way supporting this daft policy of crew reporting at the clinic, perhaps you need to ask yourself why it's been instigated? I've flown with many a crew who've shown me their roster and openly stated that certain flights will be missed due 'sickness'. They're quite open about it and demonstrates what Oblaaspop alludes to in his post. There is generally a different professional attitude amongst junior cabin crew towards the job than their seniors and the majority of pilots. If they didn't chuck a sick every few months, this draconian policy wouldn't be required. Funny, the sickness rate has more than halved from what I hear since its inception.
I do, however, feel sorry for those genuinely sick so maybe your angst should be focused to those selfish sods who spoil it for everyone else.
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This is somewhat cheap, BYMONEK.
The statement in itself might withstand, but your conclusion is flawed.
Your ire should not be directed to the 'selfish sods', nor to the 'angst-ridden' CR.
It is the responsibility of any civilised company to solve such issues by detecting and eliminating the culprits and not with collective punishment.
The latter only points to archaic and extremely incompetent leadership.
That needs to be highlighted.
The statement in itself might withstand, but your conclusion is flawed.
Your ire should not be directed to the 'selfish sods', nor to the 'angst-ridden' CR.
It is the responsibility of any civilised company to solve such issues by detecting and eliminating the culprits and not with collective punishment.
The latter only points to archaic and extremely incompetent leadership.
That needs to be highlighted.
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I don't disagree Glo so maybe my wording was poor. Both parties are to blame here, those for abusing it and the Company for carpet bombing all. Dealing with 22,000 crew may be the issue.
However, as each have managers, that is what the manager should do....manage their crew. Pick out the culprits and discipline appropriately. Better?
However, as each have managers, that is what the manager should do....manage their crew. Pick out the culprits and discipline appropriately. Better?
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Give up. Nobody cares about your opinion or memes.
It is the responsibility of any civilised company
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I'm guessing a fair proportion of "senior airline captains" will think your rebuke is equally if not more cringeworthy pop, you may consider yourself the apex of the industry, but please act the part.
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We all should know by now that smoke and mirrors as well as some clever promotion of opinion and occasionally facts, in this region are used to exploit the advantages and opportunities taken by those in charge. The reality is, on occasions, not always the same as the promoted image.
Most of the Saudi Paralympic team were thieves!
DD
Actually sorry about that, but if you did smile, for a moment then that's ok.
Most of the Saudi Paralympic team were thieves!
DD
Actually sorry about that, but if you did smile, for a moment then that's ok.
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A bit of thread drift I know but on the topic of the walk in clinic, one of the nurses told me during my recent medical renewal that the company has had to resort to using the services of Doctors, from one of the local private clinics to staff the walk in clinic at EGHQ.
I commented to her that such an exercise can't be cheap and her response was a smile with a raised eyebrow.
I commented to her that such an exercise can't be cheap and her response was a smile with a raised eyebrow.
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Yeah the company Doc's are massively overworked and under-resourced, the last two I had were downright angry at the way things had eroded, to the point that they could not match their Hippocratic and professional standards. I have a lot of sympathy for them, especially as they work in dungeon with no windows