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Lowered requirements.. and the so called claims made here on "pilot shortage".. and yet 2 of my ex colleagues got turned down for the interview and assessment, both from the United States. 
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Indigo had incidents too
Incidents like fire etc cant be blamed to the crew.. Infact they were real professional pilots.. But in indigo there is lot of back door entry and many incidents which usually don't make to headlines cuz of the kind of money and connections they have..for example
On 11 January 2011, Flight 333, piloted by Captain Parminder Kaur Gulati, landed nose-first at Goa International Airport, damaging the landing gear and putting the aircraft at risk of disintegration. Prior to the landing, the captain had caused the aircraft to descend too steeply, against the recommendations of aircraft manufacturer Airbus.[43] It was later discovered that the captain used forged papers to obtain an air transport pilot license (ATPL), after failing the test as many as seven times.[citation needed] She had also flown the return flight back to New Delhi when the aircraft's systems showed problems with the landing gear.[44]
On 11 January 2011, Flight 333, piloted by Captain Parminder Kaur Gulati, landed nose-first at Goa International Airport, damaging the landing gear and putting the aircraft at risk of disintegration. Prior to the landing, the captain had caused the aircraft to descend too steeply, against the recommendations of aircraft manufacturer Airbus.[43] It was later discovered that the captain used forged papers to obtain an air transport pilot license (ATPL), after failing the test as many as seven times.[citation needed] She had also flown the return flight back to New Delhi when the aircraft's systems showed problems with the landing gear.[44]
Let's not compare your US standards right now. That's because you've got so many people which is why there is a long waiting time; as a result your higher requirements.
People touch Dash 8, A320, B737, B757s right seat as low as 250 hours and not even one accident till date in the last seven years since the boom happened. Thus with right training, SOP procedures and experience, such matters can be served well.
We have captains who are as young as 24 flying left seat A320 ( Indigo Airlines has got over a 100 airplanes, Along with many other carriers ) that fly almost over 10 million passengers in a year in this country and around the world.
India of course is your biggest market now which is why the ME3 is also investing and wants to invest in shares in the airlines out here. EK also highly respects the Training Standards of Indigo Airlines per se.
It's amazing how the dynamics have changed.
People touch Dash 8, A320, B737, B757s right seat as low as 250 hours and not even one accident till date in the last seven years since the boom happened. Thus with right training, SOP procedures and experience, such matters can be served well.
We have captains who are as young as 24 flying left seat A320 ( Indigo Airlines has got over a 100 airplanes, Along with many other carriers ) that fly almost over 10 million passengers in a year in this country and around the world.
India of course is your biggest market now which is why the ME3 is also investing and wants to invest in shares in the airlines out here. EK also highly respects the Training Standards of Indigo Airlines per se.
It's amazing how the dynamics have changed.
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@camelruster
Korean, really? That's the company you choose as a airline for top pilots? I just heard horror stories about this
. And it is not because of their high flying standards(they proofed otherwise already in real flying).
Korean....
@1975
I would suggest that you go for it. You are fulfilling the requirements. L6 is as well no disadvantage.
Korean, really? That's the company you choose as a airline for top pilots? I just heard horror stories about this
. And it is not because of their high flying standards(they proofed otherwise already in real flying).Korean....
@1975
I would suggest that you go for it. You are fulfilling the requirements. L6 is as well no disadvantage.
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Thanks for pointing out the obvious, I am asking if they are or are planning to hire tp guys, or if it is just a game. Is the demand so high for new pilots that it is necessary?
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You'll still have to pass the sim and interview, that has not changed and the standards are the same (well done the recruiters for not buckling under the pressure from COO to get arses on seats if they have a licence!!)
As you wrote, they are desperate....
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Sorry to disappoint you.
Well, fill out that form(as all of us did), invest 1 hour of your life and you will see if they put you in the holding pool. I went in there within 48 hrs, some widebody command on a old widebody, rest lots of command on medium jet. Plus 3000 FO medium jet. With that eperience I was for a while unsuitable to be a FO with EK, now it went down and I tried.
So, give it a shot. If not, then maybe anyway this company might be the wrong thing for you(never met someone who bothered filling out a application).
Regarding the EK interview. Well, I did it early 2000 already once(and yes, I did pass) but then decided to stick with my good old european airline. Unfortunately a bit later they folded(spare me the irony) and I had to start a very unpleasant journey through different airlines/operators. Eventually I ended up with QR which was probably the worst what could happen to me and I left them after a bit.
Comparing the old EK interview with QR there was not much of a difference, QR looked a bit less in CRM group plays. Sim in both was easy, most likely the easiest point in both interviews. The old EK (andQR) interview was not very hard, point.
I am curious if I will make it again if called in, it seems it changed a lot and requires actually some kind of preparation(as most interviews need nowadays).
I understand the need of the old guys to point out that their interview was much harder(it's just a human thing to show off to that newbees, right?) and that the new guys should just consider themself lucky that the requirements have been lowered that much over the past few years.
Well, no.
I did a lot of interviews and of course times change, so do the requirements. Sometimes there is a pilot shortage, sometimes the market was flooded with recruits. My first company changed their requirements all the time(as EK is doing it right now and over the past few years), sometimes you just needed to be able to piss in a straight line to join, then again they wanted university qualification, later that dropped again. A lot of other airlines did the same, it called adapting to the market. Of course, with that strategy, you have pilots with very different skill levels within the company.
I can understand that someone doing the same thing for 14 years(post, previous page) is tired of it. I am tired of my current employer doing a thing for a while now and we got tons(!!) of applications, at least that's what we hear on every official meeting with HR. See, it is everywhere the same. Take it or leave it(which seems as well the motto of my current employer). The market will regulate it(but unfortunately we got already to many of this P2Fly kids around everywhere).
Sorry to disappoint you.
Well, fill out that form(as all of us did), invest 1 hour of your life and you will see if they put you in the holding pool. I went in there within 48 hrs, some widebody command on a old widebody, rest lots of command on medium jet. Plus 3000 FO medium jet. With that eperience I was for a while unsuitable to be a FO with EK, now it went down and I tried.
So, give it a shot. If not, then maybe anyway this company might be the wrong thing for you(never met someone who bothered filling out a application).
Regarding the EK interview. Well, I did it early 2000 already once(and yes, I did pass) but then decided to stick with my good old european airline. Unfortunately a bit later they folded(spare me the irony) and I had to start a very unpleasant journey through different airlines/operators. Eventually I ended up with QR which was probably the worst what could happen to me and I left them after a bit.
Comparing the old EK interview with QR there was not much of a difference, QR looked a bit less in CRM group plays. Sim in both was easy, most likely the easiest point in both interviews. The old EK (andQR) interview was not very hard, point.
I am curious if I will make it again if called in, it seems it changed a lot and requires actually some kind of preparation(as most interviews need nowadays).
I understand the need of the old guys to point out that their interview was much harder(it's just a human thing to show off to that newbees, right?) and that the new guys should just consider themself lucky that the requirements have been lowered that much over the past few years.
Well, no.
I did a lot of interviews and of course times change, so do the requirements. Sometimes there is a pilot shortage, sometimes the market was flooded with recruits. My first company changed their requirements all the time(as EK is doing it right now and over the past few years), sometimes you just needed to be able to piss in a straight line to join, then again they wanted university qualification, later that dropped again. A lot of other airlines did the same, it called adapting to the market. Of course, with that strategy, you have pilots with very different skill levels within the company.
I can understand that someone doing the same thing for 14 years(post, previous page) is tired of it. I am tired of my current employer doing a thing for a while now and we got tons(!!) of applications, at least that's what we hear on every official meeting with HR. See, it is everywhere the same. Take it or leave it(which seems as well the motto of my current employer). The market will regulate it(but unfortunately we got already to many of this P2Fly kids around everywhere).
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at one stage EK has to come up with overseas bases, they can't lower the requirements further to fill the cockpit, as soon as one of the other ME carriers does it they are screwed
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@GoreTex
This discussion exists since the early 2000's(maybe even before).
The problem with introducing overseas bases(Europe/US/Asia) is that most likely EVERY pilot want'S to have one of this bases and you create war within the company.
The old guys insist on "grandfather rights" to have this new opened bases, the new joiners would only join if such a base is guaranteed....
Over all, I don't think that would work and the ME carriers know about that.
Unfortunately the bloody pilot bunch(us
) is a very strange group of professionals. Very greedy, always want to have the better deal, then still complain about it and looking for even greener places to go.
Simply nobody really can please the majority of us - that's my experience of nearly 30 years of airline business and somehow I even slowly understand some management point of view about our workgroup(the pilot "haters").
This discussion exists since the early 2000's(maybe even before).
The problem with introducing overseas bases(Europe/US/Asia) is that most likely EVERY pilot want'S to have one of this bases and you create war within the company.
The old guys insist on "grandfather rights" to have this new opened bases, the new joiners would only join if such a base is guaranteed....
Over all, I don't think that would work and the ME carriers know about that.
Unfortunately the bloody pilot bunch(us
) is a very strange group of professionals. Very greedy, always want to have the better deal, then still complain about it and looking for even greener places to go. Simply nobody really can please the majority of us - that's my experience of nearly 30 years of airline business and somehow I even slowly understand some management point of view about our workgroup(the pilot "haters").
Last edited by Commuter0815; 27th Nov 2015 at 10:01. Reason: grammar ;-)
