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Old 13th Sep 2015, 15:28
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What is "P2F" types??????
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 15:42
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p2F : Ryanair

p2f : pay to fly.....
Ie Ryanair pilots who even pay form their own ppc's and for their upgrade to the left seat.
These practices are a cancer spreading through the industry.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 15:45
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So if they are adding 10 planes but hiring only 230 pilots thatīs not even close to be enough, because I also heard that around 20-30 pilots leaving per month and with the of frustration in the rise and the airlines trying to poach this can be terrible for the next season with the new planes, frequencies and routes.

How many pilots per plane?? 20??

Even if they add that pilots now, they wonīt be online flying until end of year, the soonest and thatīs very optimistic considering 1 month notice and very fast training, highly complicated both.

if the situation is bad itīs going to get worse, I think some planes grounded due to lack of crew.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 16:48
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So itīs around 6500€ to 7000€ a month?
Where i'm for an F/O itīs about 3000€ to 3500€ a month for 90hrs
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Where are you dhc8d, in Spain?
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 18:48
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Nop more in the south
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 19:16
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I know no one who is leaving because they made enough money. I know very few who send money home each month on a regular basis as an FO. Most FOs I chat to are just making it work and the dream of getting affluent in Dubai is far from true.

I wish pilots would come to ease the burden but, selling your family into
the furnace and Dybai being in the bottom 10 air quality cities in the world so you can just be able to keep your head barely above water is a serious mistake imho.

I don't come to here for any other reason but to be honest and truthful.

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Old 13th Sep 2015, 19:49
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Originally Posted by jack schidt
I know no one who is leaving because they made enough money. I know very few who send money home each month on a regular basis as an FO. Most FOs I chat to are just making it work and the dream of getting affluent in Dubai is far from true.

I wish pilots would come to ease the burden but, selling your family into
the furnace and Dybai being in the bottom 10 air quality cities in the world so you can just be able to keep your head barely above water is a serious mistake imho.

I don't come to here for any other reason but to be honest and truthful.

j
So, they need a lot of Fo's, they are short of pilots and they have some aircraft on the ground because they don't have people to fly then. Why is so difficult to get a job in Emirates and so many people is failing the interviews?
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 21:10
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Million dollar question!

Most of the accessible jobs are sucking You dry of energy. 900 hours a year. Constantly rolling 90 hours behind You. Doing 4 sectors a day for a Low Cost Carrier going to secondary airports day and night with the a320. 5 hours of flying a day with 11 hours of working time. Working like 19 days a month. Terrible and cold crew meal. No chance for a holiday during summer period. The money is 1/3 for an LTC compared to a normal Captain in china. If this goes on I will have 35k jet hours when I retire. My question: Is EK a better place than the above mentioned if You take away the rostering issue?
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 22:06
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Amen to that
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 04:11
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Kapter,
The answer is, why are former Ryan Air pilots leaving EK to return to Ryan Air? Why are T7 captains leaving to go to Jet2? What would entice pilots to go to Turkish for less money? The evidence is there. And you're worried about not getting summer leave? Last guy I flew with had 45 days owed to him. He's just trying to get leave, period. Ah, but you do have the opportunity for nice warm crew meals.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 06:04
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Summer leave?? Heck, I can't get leave no matter what time of year it is! Over 10 months between leave periods.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 07:27
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More than 15 month between leaves .....and you want to join this Cie, you have to be f....crazy. This place is starting to be a nightmare. Or I should say the brutal reality in the middle east.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 08:23
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Otto ... they have lowered the entry requirements but not the standards.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 14:53
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the standards too
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 16:02
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Hats off to the TRE's for keeping the standards during the interview sim checks!
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 20:38
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SIM RIDE

The new sim ride for the new lower time guys is much different than the ride the rest of the EK pilots took. What EK is now looking for is simply trainability. They will have you perform climbing and descending turns and heading roll out's. Something any pilot should be able to do. But for the TP and/or low time guys they will not be expected to pass the same ride that was required previously to get a job there. (Red Flag.) Recruitment gets graded on the training pass rate of the candidates it selects and passes onto training. So just because EK needs 500 pilots it will not hire 500 pilots if only 100 are deemed trainable. It is a waste of everyone's time. I think also the Psych exam must indicate that you are willing to put up with enormous amount's of BS and abuse.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 15:39
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Had a recent and rather revealing conversation with a person heavily involved in the recruitment effort currently taking place at EK. "MM we are seeing neither the quality nor numbers that we need, at this rate due to the number of resignations and those working notice, there will be a contraction in the number of crew this year"
"As of this week we needed xxx number of pilots, and at the moment we have achieved about 10% of what we need"
This person also went on to explain that despite protestations made to those up above, there has been no acknowledgement or seeming recognition of this growing shortage. The words Gulf Air were mentioned as a description.
It was very very enlightening to say the least as this person up until very recently was what others would have described as a kool-aid drinker.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 18:58
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May be it will be easier to get a job in Emirates now
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 19:33
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DEC entry requirements are being reviewed for forthcoming 777 DEC recruitment, with those that have previously applied being asked to update their experience and licence details.
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