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Old 1st Sep 2015, 14:00
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Fellowship of the drink,
You are right, if it is like this ( 16 sectors) then it is too short. Is this course designed for all non type rated joiners? Or perhaps for people who had previous experience on the B777? And what happens if someone in this course will require extra training? Would the company be willing to give him additional training or there is a chance that he might be terminated? Are there many people who had problem to go through this course and were failed?
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 14:39
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Well said SOPS, love your work! If you're over 50, 20k plus hours, 30 plus years in aviation, you are over qualified and a redundant excess in this outfit.

The problem is, you will never diminish the allure of shiny new widebodies to any young pilot, fair enough. We would have drooled at thought ourselves. I also have no problem whatsoever with a 25 year old new-joiner in the RHS, except they can generally drink more than me these days... If he sat for 8-10 years on the company network, he'd be a more-than-accomplished international wide body skipper at 33-35 years old. I do have an issue with the sense of entitlement SOME (minority) of these youngsters have, when they don't get command within 3 years, and sort of look at me as if I'm holding their careers' back, because they haven't had an interview before their 28th birthday..

Never fear though, through the slick machinations of our intrepid HR team and a lot of smoke and mirrors, our problem is about to be solved. The company will be going to KL for at least 3 weeks in September to skim the cream off the (very sadly) ailing Malaysian Airlines. Watch out for a large contingent of 777 and possibly even 380 DEC's to tide us through this difficult time! We must welcome them wholeheartedly, they are in such a sad time in their history, and at the end of the day, trying to make a living like us. We certainly can't blame our T 'n C deterioration on them, we couldn't stick together in a glue factory..The upside is that sub-90 hour rosters may be on the cards...Pity I won't be here to see it!

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Old 1st Sep 2015, 18:32
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I heard Saudia scooped most of the Malaysian guys.

EK has enough good Malay guys already on the premises to warn their countrymen.

Latest word a little over 100 in the hiring pool and then...?

Management washup actually starting to slowwwwwly admit there mayyyyyyy be a slight problem...although turnover is still only 3%.

No one even pretends to believe them anymore.
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 08:25
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Devil Just the facts.....

As you can see I generally do not post but here is my 5 fills...

Regarding TP pilots or jet experience it is all up to the individual and his own ability. There are great pilots from all flying back grounds and nationalities.

The main concern to all who want to join is know what you are getting into. In Ek you are purely a number, they do not care about the individual and your family. They hand out warning letters like a production line, divide and concur, shoot first then ask questions. There have been several examples of this, Accra, Melbourne, Lagos to name a few, and how they have mistreated pilots with no regard to the person and family just the EK brand. Even after some minor incidence the first question of most of the pilots are, "are we going to get called into the office for this?" Not a good state of affairs especially when your colleague utters this on vacating the runway after a low speed RTO.

This situation is not just limited to pilots, the cabin crew, engineers etc. are all treated the same. Staff report each other purely to keep the spot light off themselves. It is the culture of the company. All departments are short staffed and over worked, cabin, engineering, ground staff .... If you are happy to except this as a working environment please do join, each individual should make the decision for themselves and their own situation. The company needs all the staff they can get in ALL positions.

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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 22:42
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1500TT or ATP required?

Hey guys all my hours are ME mostly all turbine but with the new ATP laws in the U.S. I never got my ATP. I'm an FO on a 135 operation, anyway will EK even entertain me without having my ATP or do they just want a minimum of 1500 hours ?
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 23:46
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Colo, did you read the comment just above yours? It is true.All true. Think long and hard.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 00:48
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Ya SOPS. I'm a single guy, and I've done months hand flying a TP for 90-100 hours in a month so I'm sure I can handle it with EK and get some jet time. Before I reject the offer I first need to see if I can get an offer. So is it 1500TT or is it required I have my ATP? That means I'd have to join a regional and that's ****ty to use them to get my FAA ATP. So can anyone confirm...
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 03:33
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Another clueless soul.......
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 03:52
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And this is what EK and the airline industry as a whole has become..,
Clueless and desperate..
Really makes me sad on so many levels as we watch this once proud airline succumb to the whims of the corporate greed and commercial "politically correct". The Colo post above is ... wrong on so many levels... But the "shiny jet kid" just doesn't get it.. Would rather screw the generation before him for the chance to get screwed by the folks behind him... The epitome of what this shyt industry has become.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 07:40
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Has EK deteriorated that much? Read these posts:

"need to put out the applications and start looking around. EK is just so arrogant. This use to be a very good job (and still is for the 3rd world) but with Europe paying more and more now that is the place to be. We will always be treated no better that an Indian to management and it is time we start going to greener pastures. I have had it.”

“-an average work month of ~75hrs/month increased to an average of ~91hrs/month
-insertion of ‘operational plans’ for various destinations that would otherwise require breaking flight duty limits
-the use of scheduled block hours that do not reflect the actual time required to carry out a flight. In other words, shaving off of 10 to 15 minutes per leg that would have counted towards our monthly credit limit
-duty time reduced from chocks plus 30 minutes to ‘chocks on’
-an increase of fatigue ASR’s (air safety reports) from 1 per 4 months to 3 per week
-simulator and ground school duties not counting towards flight duty limits
-the DEC policy
-a loss of quality TRE’s and TRI’s
-the insertion of reserve days throughout my schedule, thereby breaking up any stretch of days off.
-an average of 1 reserve day/month increased to an average of 4 reserve days/month
-reserve days no longer counted towards pay or monthly duty limits (resulting in being able to have us available on 45 minutes notice for 10 hours at no cost to the company)
-the probability of being called to work on reserve dramatically increased
-the enforcement of written authorization to leave dubai on ‘off’ days
-the coming and going of the illegal ‘factored’ flying hours, although there is nothing official about the demise of this policy
-the utilization of crew rest facilities whereby a Captain is required to rest in the compartment at the rear of the aircraft while still remaining PIC.
-the utilization of crew rest facilities consisting of a first class seat sometimes seated next to a passenger. This results in rest taken during in-flight services etc.
-the institution of the ‘fatigue model’ into the bidding system
-the institution of the adopt bid system
-the removal of credit and block hours listed on our schedules
-the inability to take leave during the year due to the lack of available leave periods

- an increase in the number of pilots willingly working on days off
-a huge increase in the number of ‘no shows’ on initial courses
-a demographic shift in the pilots accepting courses at Emirates
-a massive increase in the number of pilots resigning from Emirates and also from positions within Emirates
-massive cost of living increases”

“Unfortunately the way they are operating a lot of loyalty is being lost throughout, guys who would have stayed here till 60 will always be on the edge of there seat and looking for better options.
Its sad Emirates has come to this, just another contract job.”

“CVs all over the web, now if I can get my lucky ticket punched”


These posts are from 2005... Obviously nothing has changed and many of the posters are still here today. You can find similar posts from every year.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 10:01
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expat,
what you said is on the net for 10 years but you still joined, the ones that now join will write the same stuff in a year or two, its so funny.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 11:08
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Fireball how about you try something constructive

You don't know me, my goals, my situation. Yet you come on here flapping your gums calling me a "shinny jet kid" and talk about me and how my question is "wrong on so many levels." Fine I get it. You're unhappy with your decisions in life and unhappy with your experience at EK. I'm simply asking a question so how about you either answer it or shut your mouth. You wouldn't say that to my face but now you have your internet balls you feel it's ok. ITS NOT! So since 90% of every forum on here is people complaining how bad EVERY AIRLINE IS, how about if someone doesn't know the answer to my question they don't respond. Or if you do know you can inbox me. I'll ask it again, DO I NEED AN ATP OR IS IT JUST 1500+ TT?
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 11:24
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Bro if you cannot be bothered to go to the careers website and check the requirements (it's all there for everyone to see, no secret and it's in black and white) but instead you come here and write all these lines waiting for someone to answer your question, then you should channel all that energy towards what you want to achieve and stop waisting time on here.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 11:34
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Qualifications & Experience

Emirates is looking for the best pilots in the world!

We are hiring motivated, technically proficient and experienced pilots who aspire to excellence.

If this describes you, and you have an ICAO ATPL along with excellent English language fluency (to ICAO English level 4 or above) we would like to hear from you.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 11:46
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Colo

I'll ask it again, DO I NEED AN ATP OR IS IT JUST 1500+ TT?
Colo Somehow I font think that the lack of ATPL will be your issue but your attitude certainly will.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 13:43
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He would be a pleasure to sit next to on that 18 hour Panama flight. Don't want to join a regional? You to good for them?
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 18:19
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Colo, it's a full ATPL.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 20:54
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Cool thanks VFE. Ive Heard several people say it's just meeting the ATPL flight reqs.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 21:03
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FlyinColo I like your attitude, do you want to join Crystal Palace?

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Old 4th Sep 2015, 02:56
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Let me be one of many who tried, occasionally to wake some of us hopers and dreamers up.

EK, for the matter, ANY Airline, will not change nor adapt to your demands since happy pilots are good bunch to have, but not really a mandatory item in the management checklist.

If the pay is too low, attrition rate will make them do something. If they don't, that because they can. If they have to park a dozen fat bus with no crew, they will and the blame will be on anything else but the lack of better T & Cs.

Do wake up to the fact that the new world of musical chair is going on now. With the willing cheap supply of many great young lads willing to fork out hundreds of thousands to land a job in LCC worldwide, then join EK to gain experience and eventually bitch and moan till their turn to move on to their next big gig in China or back home where ever they came from.

Have some sympathy on the guys who are joining. If you're truly unhappy, don't help nor engage and just stay on the fence but do be a professional when you fly with one of them. If any of them is unsafe, do the right thing and let the system sort them out.

Let's face it, most of us are staying put in Ek cos we ain't have viable option elsewhere. If there's one, I will be gone in a second. Though the difference is I would still thank them for the job all these years and leave in good grace.
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