Lowered requirements Emirates
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Attic
Age: 55
Posts: 107
Don when I joined I did do due dillegence contrary to what you wrote. At the time 777 FOs were "only" flying 65-77 hours a month spending on who you talked to and no one was not getting their leave. If they weren't I didn't talk to them and it wasn't posted on PPRuNe that I saw.
I was looking in 2011-12 not 2003. That is my reference. Was it bad when i was looking, maybe. But it was probably worse for the captains than the FOs.
The difference is when i don't like something I do something about it. We all know Emirates is not a good airline and it is only going to get worse for sure. So why stick around?
Was EK as bad 3 yrs ago as it is today? If it only is gong to get worse at Emirates and if tomorrow is going to be worse than today why stick around or why join? There are so many good options out there.
I was looking in 2011-12 not 2003. That is my reference. Was it bad when i was looking, maybe. But it was probably worse for the captains than the FOs.
The difference is when i don't like something I do something about it. We all know Emirates is not a good airline and it is only going to get worse for sure. So why stick around?
Was EK as bad 3 yrs ago as it is today? If it only is gong to get worse at Emirates and if tomorrow is going to be worse than today why stick around or why join? There are so many good options out there.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Post-Pit and Lovin' It.
Posts: 847
Cry us all a river, don. Be happy that "your" issues are now everyone's.
Yay! Right?
But the difference is, of the people who joined in spite of your infinite wisdom in the early 2000's, many still did very well. Long hours on your fleet, forced relocations may have been around - but so were quick commands and decent rosters back then and for quite a few years after that.
Now? Not so much. Talk to anyone and the honeymoon period is shorter and shorter - FO resignations outpacing captains for a start. 2015 is not 2003, now matter how you want to spin it for your "I told you so" moment. Those joining now are joining a completely different animal.
Yay! Right?
But the difference is, of the people who joined in spite of your infinite wisdom in the early 2000's, many still did very well. Long hours on your fleet, forced relocations may have been around - but so were quick commands and decent rosters back then and for quite a few years after that.
Now? Not so much. Talk to anyone and the honeymoon period is shorter and shorter - FO resignations outpacing captains for a start. 2015 is not 2003, now matter how you want to spin it for your "I told you so" moment. Those joining now are joining a completely different animal.
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Global
Posts: 154
Pilot Workload at Emirates Under Question - WSJ
According to current and former pilots, Emirates, the world’s largest airline by international traffic, underreports time on duty to the aviation regulator in the United Arab Emirates, meaning pilots at times exceed daily-duty limits that exist to protect their health and the safety of flights.
i think its safe to say hopefully something will be done about this...tough times right now but i think the future is bright, at least its out there now!
According to current and former pilots, Emirates, the world’s largest airline by international traffic, underreports time on duty to the aviation regulator in the United Arab Emirates, meaning pilots at times exceed daily-duty limits that exist to protect their health and the safety of flights.
i think its safe to say hopefully something will be done about this...tough times right now but i think the future is bright, at least its out there now!
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Posts: 4,316
The WSJ article-
Let's see- April, May, June, July August.....
Nope- don't think it had much impact (apart from losing the "Timeline" , which is a pain in the asre.)
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Rory Jones
April 9, 2015 9:59 a.m. ET
Rory Jones
April 9, 2015 9:59 a.m. ET
Nope- don't think it had much impact (apart from losing the "Timeline" , which is a pain in the asre.)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: not in Dubai anymore
Age: 90
Posts: 712
another good link from the WSJ, LMAO
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/22...luding-ek.html
good old Brian, I wonder if he is still in the pit?
good old Brian, I wonder if he is still in the pit?
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Planet earth
Posts: 397
Funny, i got today an email from recruitement stating their requirements have been changed. I was really amused with the following sentence: "You could be living in dynamic Dubai, enjoying a sunny lifestyle while earning a tax-free salary ....." 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,045
I don't know why you were amused.
Dubai is dynamic and you can enjoy a sunny lifestyle.
No surprise there.
Whereas the tax free myth is a blunt lie.
Nothing to be amused by that. Get used to be lied to day in, day out.
Dubai is dynamic and you can enjoy a sunny lifestyle.
No surprise there.
Whereas the tax free myth is a blunt lie.
Nothing to be amused by that. Get used to be lied to day in, day out.
Join Date: May 2015
Location: France
Posts: 40
Are there ANY positives at EK nowadays?!
I created a profile a few years ago for a laugh despite being nowhere near the minimum requirements.
On Monday last I got the email from EK asking me to update my profile then email them back if I was still interested in a FO position with them!
I've about 1550hrs TT on TPs even lighter than ATRs/Dash 8s
Desperation it seems indeed!
I created a profile a few years ago for a laugh despite being nowhere near the minimum requirements.
On Monday last I got the email from EK asking me to update my profile then email them back if I was still interested in a FO position with them!
I've about 1550hrs TT on TPs even lighter than ATRs/Dash 8s
Desperation it seems indeed!
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Up in the Air
Posts: 143
Hi Primary Governor, I also got an email from EK telling me to update my profile and send an email to a specific email stating my interest in joining Emirates and the position.
6000 hours on ATR, Training Captain.
I think we are all getting the same email, has anyone got an invitation for the interview??
6000 hours on ATR, Training Captain.
I think we are all getting the same email, has anyone got an invitation for the interview??
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: dxb
Posts: 71
PG,
To answer your first question: No, not really (been here +10y)
By all means, come and do the interview, but make sure you talk to some line guys while you are here. Recruitment will blow sunshine up your backside like you've never felt before.
It could be a great option for you to consider, just don't be surprised when we have to say "told you so" in a few years.
VLS
To answer your first question: No, not really (been here +10y)
By all means, come and do the interview, but make sure you talk to some line guys while you are here. Recruitment will blow sunshine up your backside like you've never felt before.
It could be a great option for you to consider, just don't be surprised when we have to say "told you so" in a few years.
VLS
Join Date: May 2015
Location: France
Posts: 40
Yes it was a generic email for sure.
To be honest having read all here and spoken to a few people I know thereI don't think I would consider it. It sounds fairly miserable.
Of course when I embarked on my training I would have hoped/envisaged to operate for an airline on equipment such as an A330 or 777 but not at all costs.
I've turned down a few P2F schemes already.
I've an ok life now, one month away from home on duty, then one month off (completely off) at home.
Good money but no stability/career advancement really.
In the unlikely event I get called for the assessments/interview and get offered a place on the 332 for example; and I chose to remain where I am, in the RHS of a B1900D then the career/industry is truly hopeless!
To be honest having read all here and spoken to a few people I know thereI don't think I would consider it. It sounds fairly miserable.
Of course when I embarked on my training I would have hoped/envisaged to operate for an airline on equipment such as an A330 or 777 but not at all costs.
I've turned down a few P2F schemes already.
I've an ok life now, one month away from home on duty, then one month off (completely off) at home.
Good money but no stability/career advancement really.
In the unlikely event I get called for the assessments/interview and get offered a place on the 332 for example; and I chose to remain where I am, in the RHS of a B1900D
then the career/industry is truly hopeless!
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Somewhere near an Airport
Age: 38
Posts: 319
Be with them for 5 years PG,(or get the rating, make 1000,pay them and leave in between) right seat of a B1900 to A330 is too good to believe. It's a good opportunity. Fortunately we jet drivers have some options at the moment. It all depends how it goes with you, whether they improve or detroriate with time etc.
I personally know 2500 hrs + TP guys with no prev command exp transition to 737 LHS, few of them were excellent and some had habits like kicking excessive rudder etc. again it depends on how well a person can adopt to speed and other changes in cockpit.
It's a game of demand & supply ! Today they just need Atpl, once they needed 2500+ on aircaft more than 75T and in the far futute it might be a min of 1000hrs on type ! Who knows...
I personally know 2500 hrs + TP guys with no prev command exp transition to 737 LHS, few of them were excellent and some had habits like kicking excessive rudder etc. again it depends on how well a person can adopt to speed and other changes in cockpit.
It's a game of demand & supply ! Today they just need Atpl, once they needed 2500+ on aircaft more than 75T and in the far futute it might be a min of 1000hrs on type ! Who knows...
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: The Oven
Posts: 79
Governor
It could be good. But it's not. Very little would have to happen to fix it, and a large portion is cost neutral to them. Part of the frustration. IF you do get offered the 777 ask them to etch the offer into a 5 kg gold bar that you will return to them after completing the 777 course.
One of their biggest issues at EK is promising you the 777 or 380 then switching you to the 330 a day or two into the welcome course. And surprise they have the 330 sims and instructors waiting for you! I have flown with many FO's that this has happened to. Some very recently. Emirates knows you don't have a job to go back to so they figure you are stuck. Personally, I would accept nothing but the 777. If you get the 330 you will be here as an FO till the fleet dies in 3-4 years then you will be moved over to the 380. However, once on the 380 ALL the Captain slots will have been filled or spoken for and you will be a career FO with a very interesting type rating. Best to look for smoother waters. It's gonna be a rough ride here for the foreseeable future. Love your schedule! I would stay put!
Your other option is to do it for 18 months then take your new type and go.
One of their biggest issues at EK is promising you the 777 or 380 then switching you to the 330 a day or two into the welcome course. And surprise they have the 330 sims and instructors waiting for you! I have flown with many FO's that this has happened to. Some very recently. Emirates knows you don't have a job to go back to so they figure you are stuck. Personally, I would accept nothing but the 777. If you get the 330 you will be here as an FO till the fleet dies in 3-4 years then you will be moved over to the 380. However, once on the 380 ALL the Captain slots will have been filled or spoken for and you will be a career FO with a very interesting type rating. Best to look for smoother waters. It's gonna be a rough ride here for the foreseeable future. Love your schedule! I would stay put!
Your other option is to do it for 18 months then take your new type and go.
