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No Baron, they do not.
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BlueBaron:
I personally don't think you've done enough research but all the best to you anyways.
I'd ask this of you; just come back to this forum, this particular thread and give us your thoughts then... Don't be surprised if there are a few " we tried to tell you"
You sincerely don't have any Idea what you're getting into with the EK machine.... None of us here could have even imagined how poor the conditions, rosters and general treatment of pilots could get..... But they have!
Through a colleague, I've heard that a Deputy Chief advises that 95 hours per month WILL BE THE NEW NORM! Why? Not enough pilots. Why? A number have taken heed of these discussions.
Hope to hear from you here on this thread 6-9 months after starting at EK.
Kap
I personally don't think you've done enough research but all the best to you anyways.
I'd ask this of you; just come back to this forum, this particular thread and give us your thoughts then... Don't be surprised if there are a few " we tried to tell you"
You sincerely don't have any Idea what you're getting into with the EK machine.... None of us here could have even imagined how poor the conditions, rosters and general treatment of pilots could get..... But they have!
Through a colleague, I've heard that a Deputy Chief advises that 95 hours per month WILL BE THE NEW NORM! Why? Not enough pilots. Why? A number have taken heed of these discussions.
Hope to hear from you here on this thread 6-9 months after starting at EK.
Kap
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Baron, you are contracted to fly however many hours are on your roster. And if you seriously think you can survive on 8 days off, flying long haul, back of the clock, or constant night turns, you are seriously deluded.
As has been posted here several times now, there are 50 pilots off long term sick, with serious health problems, of course you may choose to believe the rostering has nothing to do with it.
And, if you dare make a mistake, that 'damages' the brand, just wait and see how that works out for you. Just ask the poor guys in Lagos.
But, you go ahead, don't say you were not warned.
Now I see Baron, you are a CX person. And you think going to Dubai will solve your problems?
I'm going to stop now, back to a glass of wine.
As has been posted here several times now, there are 50 pilots off long term sick, with serious health problems, of course you may choose to believe the rostering has nothing to do with it.
And, if you dare make a mistake, that 'damages' the brand, just wait and see how that works out for you. Just ask the poor guys in Lagos.
But, you go ahead, don't say you were not warned.
Now I see Baron, you are a CX person. And you think going to Dubai will solve your problems?
I'm going to stop now, back to a glass of wine.
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88 hrs a month includes bunk time towards pay and OT, but bunk time not counted towards FTL 28 days or 12 months 100/900 hrs. Meydan south newer one slightly bigger gardens which come bear. Most pilots getting more than 8 days off.
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Fleet type makes the differance.
Fatbus is right. I just took the average of my last 24 months and came up with 8.2 off days a month. Sorry SOP, you are stretching the truth just a bit. If you get on the 777 you will get more. Initially on the 330 you will also but not much. Most FO's I fly with appear to be around 9 days off a month. I have never had bunk time. My EK pajamas are in the wrapper stuffed up in the closet somewhere. If you get on the 330 fleet there are no bunks. But you will get a chance every few months to get 3 hours rest in a seat that reclines a bit further than the cockpit seats on our 9.5 hour flight to western Africa. In the first 9 days next month I have 1 day off. All turns. Most arriving back in Dubai between 0400-0900. But on the upside I have 3 two day off blocks where normally it's just 2. It's like a little present from scheduling. Yeah..........
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Pulk,
Are you serious? You obviously haven't read anything on this site regarding life in the ME. He is HOME....and it doesn't really matter where that is...its not the UAE which was NOT his home.
SOPS.. has left EK and the UAE...he has actually stated that in almost every post over the last 6 months or so. He now does 1 hour trips with a dog for an FO and has switched fuels from JET A to CHARDON A, and answers to a new DFO that shares the same name as the lady on his marriage certificate.
Might be a good idea to read the countless 1000's of posts in PPRUNE regarding problems faced by those working in the ME.
Are you serious? You obviously haven't read anything on this site regarding life in the ME. He is HOME....and it doesn't really matter where that is...its not the UAE which was NOT his home.
SOPS.. has left EK and the UAE...he has actually stated that in almost every post over the last 6 months or so. He now does 1 hour trips with a dog for an FO and has switched fuels from JET A to CHARDON A, and answers to a new DFO that shares the same name as the lady on his marriage certificate.
Might be a good idea to read the countless 1000's of posts in PPRUNE regarding problems faced by those working in the ME.
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There is no hope for a lot of pilots. What can they possibly be thinking or are they not even thinking?
There are countless jobs out there in the world. Get the good ones and if you can not get hired at the good ones come (only at the last resort) to the middle east but don't go bitching on these sites.
Sept can't come fast enough.
There are countless jobs out there in the world. Get the good ones and if you can not get hired at the good ones come (only at the last resort) to the middle east but don't go bitching on these sites.
Sept can't come fast enough.
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Despite leaving, you obviously still have your finger on the pulse. So please, tell me, what has happened to the 'poor guys in Lagos' after their little taxi incident?
Harry
Despite leaving, you obviously still have your finger on the pulse. So please, tell me, what has happened to the 'poor guys in Lagos' after their little taxi incident?
Harry
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As a matter of curiosity: Don't you guys see no chance of improvement in the foreseeable future ?
One thing I can assure, they will get a huge amount of applications from brazilian's ATR and Ejet drivers.
Just a matter of time until these revised requirements spread around and the influx of applications start.
One thing I can assure, they will get a huge amount of applications from brazilian's ATR and Ejet drivers.
Just a matter of time until these revised requirements spread around and the influx of applications start.
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A Psychology Professor talking on Sky News this evening happend to mention about the new requirements for pilots to be mentally screened for unusual mental behaviours.
Would the new hire recruits be automatically deemed to have failed this test, by a normal recruiter, in the know, if these candidates applied here to the pit despite all the sensible advice given here?
Welcome to the place where you have to ask to pee and even before you go to briefing be ready to do the full drugs and alcohol testing process, just to earn a buck!
New hires from the lighter aircraft world are welcome I say, let them come and share the pain if it helps the poor sods here doing 1.5 times reasonable amount of work. (You get rostered for sim support here when you are at maximum hours and can't fly).
(edit) The suggestion from the professor is to look at your work colleagues around you and help the company and the medical teams to work out if someones personality is changeable. The way the system works here, you rarely bump into any colleagues at all when going to work and then only on 4 days a year in class, and that's only about 10 at a time, good to see the system works.
J
Would the new hire recruits be automatically deemed to have failed this test, by a normal recruiter, in the know, if these candidates applied here to the pit despite all the sensible advice given here?
Welcome to the place where you have to ask to pee and even before you go to briefing be ready to do the full drugs and alcohol testing process, just to earn a buck!
New hires from the lighter aircraft world are welcome I say, let them come and share the pain if it helps the poor sods here doing 1.5 times reasonable amount of work. (You get rostered for sim support here when you are at maximum hours and can't fly).
(edit) The suggestion from the professor is to look at your work colleagues around you and help the company and the medical teams to work out if someones personality is changeable. The way the system works here, you rarely bump into any colleagues at all when going to work and then only on 4 days a year in class, and that's only about 10 at a time, good to see the system works.
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Welcome to the place where you have to ask to pee and even before you go to briefing be ready to do the full drugs and alcohol testing process, just to earn a buck!
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Sure...
But there are a lot of pilots from Azul Airlines with pretty good english skills. And I bet that you don't need to have adamantium balls to make thru the simulator.
There are some good professionals down here, despite the disbelief of many.
By the way, I don't fly for Azul and due to family issues I just had to turn down a job in one of the ME3.
So, If I was able to succeed, why my fellow colleagues wouldn't ?
Anyway, I wish all the best for those who are willing to accept this quest.
But there are a lot of pilots from Azul Airlines with pretty good english skills. And I bet that you don't need to have adamantium balls to make thru the simulator.
There are some good professionals down here, despite the disbelief of many.
By the way, I don't fly for Azul and due to family issues I just had to turn down a job in one of the ME3.
So, If I was able to succeed, why my fellow colleagues wouldn't ?
Anyway, I wish all the best for those who are willing to accept this quest.