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Old 12th Sep 2015, 05:46
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Grass? What is this Grass you speak of????
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Dropp the pilot
Intriguing. You do realize there are only 10 types of people in the world? Those who can understand binary and those who can't?
Sorry Dropp but you are wrong. There are actually 11 types of people in the world. Those who can understand binary, those who can't and those who don't care.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 09:16
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Kapitan

"All the US guys here are screaming to get out and go back to the US".

Strange, just recently flew with one very happy US citizen. About to upgrade after 4.5 years onto the triple. 5 years ago he was sat right seat on RJ earning a fraction of what he's about to clear and having to endure a long commute too due to the huge cost of living in NY. Kids recently enrolled into school of choice. Wife good job. Plan is 10-15 years until children finish then will re assess. Even thinking of buying here with market dropping.

I'm not selling EK, merely trying, as usual, to put perspective into an often one sided and emotional biased argument. It very much depends on where you've come from and what the future may potentially hold. Despite your opinion and a degradation in overall pay/work/lifestyle balance, working here is still an excellent option for many.

Not all of our US colleagues want to leave, just a larger number perhaps than other nationalities. Ironically, the Brits appear to be taking the lead for leaving here. With all the rain, tax and immigration issues they face, things must be getting bad here!

Before you respond, a question to you. Are you not American yourself? Why are you not joining those desperate screaming Americans when you can just walk out the door into the 400 jobs a month you claim are available?

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Old 12th Sep 2015, 09:59
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Pilots leaving because..

The main reason the Brits are leaving for greener pastures (wetter and colder) with a mediocre aviation market there is the simple reason that the "better" half hates it here.. Hearing most of the Brits that I fly with saying things that reflect the opinion that everything British is either better, bigger, or greener (ok, I'll give them that one) makes it for a difficult time here.. The wife's are leaving in drones.. Husbands wanting a commuting roster.. Just not working out, then everything turns sour if you can't be with your loved ones, understandably so.

So I agree with Harry on this one, It always looks greener on the other side of the fence.. but either side has its brown patches.. Just be careful not to step in too many of them.

For the new joiners or those thinking to join.. Please.. Please.. have a sincere talk with your spouse about coming here.. make sure she/he will WANT to make it work..

Just pointing out the obvious..

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Old 12th Sep 2015, 10:24
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Pointer - KL can't reply because the movers are packing his stuff right now. Fact.

Buddy two days ago - "new FO on my last trip was a former 777 CA at EK."

Lots of factors in deciding to leave the U.S. for EK, or any overseas job, and reasons not to, with the current hiring spree in the U.S.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 10:36
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Yes, I confirm, the last private correspondence with KL said he was due to go about now.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 12:19
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Is dhs 29 700 a month not enough for a decent living in dxb?

Hi everyone
Is dhs 29 700 a month for f/o not enough for a decente living in dxb?
Is it a net salary?
Accomodation is provided by EK but do you pay for electricity and water bills?
Is the education support allowance covers it all or u still have to add some from ûr pocket?

Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.
Cheers.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 12:26
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1) Yes.
2) Yes(if no kids).
3) No.
4) It depends.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 12:32
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Thanks very much for answering so quikly
1)yes means itīs enough?
2)what do u mean if no kids?

Thanks again.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 13:24
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Lowered requirements Emirates

2) if you have kids in school, you most likely will get some Educational expense deduction from that "net" salary, as well as tickets used, medical expenses whom might not be covered 100%, etc..
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 20:30
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Thanks to all for the aswers
Whatīs the minimum an F/O can expect with two kids?
Thanks again
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 20:45
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Put simply, an FO salary is sufficient to survive on and that's exactly it, survive you will, save you probably won't until you get your command (after the DECs have taken all the slots).

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Old 13th Sep 2015, 12:39
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I'm just looking for a number so i can have a clear idea of what to expect
And jack if this number is fine just to "survive" in dubai so whatīs for you to correct number for a decent living?
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 12:56
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Originally Posted by dhc8d
Thanks to all for the aswers
Whatīs the minimum an F/O can expect with two kids?
Thanks again
A divorce.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 13:08
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As an FO I have a decent car, good lifestyle , occasional holiday , good school for kids, , nice villa, no utility bills, small amount in provident fund, good health insurance and send €1000 home a month to pay expenses. Emirates has its problems but the pay is pretty good even for an FO. They have had small pay increases that don't keep up with inflation but Ryanair hasn't had a pay increase for over 10 years.
The problem with emirates is the mixed type of flying is very tiring, the leave system and availability is crap and the time to command is very uncertain. If you can live with these things then emirates is a good place to be.
I'm ready for a lashing from the usual people to say how wonderful it was 10 years ago, but it's not 10 years ago so get over it.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 13:29
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Nothing's changed from 10 years ago, just different problems.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 13:54
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May I put my thoughts in here? I am sure by many I will be howled down.

But everyone seems to be forgetting that the main reason for being an ex pat is to make money.

What happens in reality is, the local pilots make more than the Expats ( good luck to them).

But the whole reason of moving to the ME seems to have been lost. You go to make money.

Hubris in EK and Dubai has changed this.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 14:09
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OK here's a question. How many new pilots will it take to ease the roster to a reasonable level and how many are the company trying to recruit?


I have to agree with SOPs, the whole point of leaving for pastures green is... Well that it is greener, I would be looking at a 5year pay cut to go there so it's more pastures brown. Pay won't increase until they're looking at pilot shortages of Chinese proportions.
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 14:39
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Dream on if you think we'll be flying less, no matter how many we are hiring in the future!

Secondly, for most of the P2F types, this place is as close as it gets to "nirvana".
For the rest of us it's closer to " the cream of the crap", although that might even be a stretch............
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Old 13th Sep 2015, 15:21
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Another 10 aeroplane growth for the remainder of the financial year. Last wash up was told they were hiring 230 new pilots for the remainder of the financial year. Even not including people leaving that's not enough to fix leave and roster problems.
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