Lowered requirements Emirates
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For the eventual trips to Mars, Venus and Uranus. Still with 3 pilots no doubt and a slightly modified "annex 3". Min fuel and Neptune as an alternate...no probs. I'll bet the 777 guys (thats John Deere for the "Dugong" crowd) will still claim it won't carry any freight!
Pilot rest bunk is located outside in this modified STC version.
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Well the JD drivers will certainly have the sharper handling skills as they battle the wake turbulence whilst trundling along behind the Dugong lugging all it's freight.
Apparently the issue will only be exacerbated with the arrival of the A380 NEO (No freight, Emirates Only).
Apparently the issue will only be exacerbated with the arrival of the A380 NEO (No freight, Emirates Only).
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This Airbus Boeing argument is a personal preference but when it is all said and done and at the end of the line the 777 will probably will have sold over 3000 units. The 380 will be lucky to sell 400 units.
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Did you just seriously willy-wave Kabul at an ex-military pilot?
Seriously!?
Guys, we can trade opinions all day, but show me some actual statistical evidence that younger pilots are more dangerous.
You can't because there is none.
Some are saying that airlines want experienced etc etc.
No they don't.
Decent airlines like BA, Virgin, Lufthansa, Air France KLM etc have always liked cadets even though they are expensive.
Did you just seriously willy-wave Kabul at an ex-military pilot?
Seriously!?
Guys, we can trade opinions all day, but show me some actual statistical evidence that younger pilots are more dangerous.
You can't because there is none.
Some are saying that airlines want experienced etc etc.
No they don't.
Decent airlines like BA, Virgin, Lufthansa, Air France KLM etc have always liked cadets even though they are expensive.
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IMHO The Reason Major Airlines like Cadets is that they can take an in-experianced pilot and train and mould the individual over the course of their career so that when they gain Experience they will make competent commanders..
These Airlines clearly value experience, they just would rather it was acquired in house.
These Airlines clearly value experience, they just would rather it was acquired in house.
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So big deal you were previously military Tourist. As mentioned, many of us at EK have been as well. Doesn't change the fact that your view is flawed. Nothing wrong with cadets or anyone with similar experience but to say they are better than a seasoned veteran? Maybe in your case it's probably true since you are debating the point but for the most of us it's comical to read your posts.
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Quite agree. Nothing at all fancy about flying into Kabul. It's just an airport.
You say that handling the aeroplane is the "easy part"
Not any more it would seem. Pretty much all the recent disasters have been handling issues. 10000 Airbus translates as "can't fly anymore"
That is where the TP guys have a major strength. They have yet to forget how to fly.
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These airlines value decent training of a decent product. Exactly what Emirates could do with TP pilots.
Frankly I'm amazed by the stereotype belief that pilots who never qualified under the old 2000hrs Airbus rule are somehow not worthy of Emirates.
I could make a similarly fallacious statement that all the pilots at Emirates are not good enough for decent legacy airlines in western countries, otherwise why would they be out in the sandpit.
There are a thousand reason why a decent pilot could be a TP pilot just as there are a thousand circumstances leading to a decent pilot ending up at Emirates.
Quite agree. Nothing at all fancy about flying into Kabul. It's just an airport.
You say that handling the aeroplane is the "easy part"
Not any more it would seem. Pretty much all the recent disasters have been handling issues. 10000 Airbus translates as "can't fly anymore"
That is where the TP guys have a major strength. They have yet to forget how to fly.
General
These airlines value decent training of a decent product. Exactly what Emirates could do with TP pilots.
Frankly I'm amazed by the stereotype belief that pilots who never qualified under the old 2000hrs Airbus rule are somehow not worthy of Emirates.
I could make a similarly fallacious statement that all the pilots at Emirates are not good enough for decent legacy airlines in western countries, otherwise why would they be out in the sandpit.
There are a thousand reason why a decent pilot could be a TP pilot just as there are a thousand circumstances leading to a decent pilot ending up at Emirates.
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I think everybody is missing the point with this thread...
The problem is not recruiting pilots with low experience, turboprop only or whatever... History show this can be fine. I was a 170 hr jet cadet myself back in the old days and I have not dinked the John Deere (yet) from the left seat.
The problem is ONLY recruiting low experience pilots and not getting the balance across the Company. Not giving the guys enough training time, undue pressure from above / left seat, lack of support if mistakes are made - THAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM...
Now let's get along and stop bashing each other - we are our own worst enemies.
As for the silly Airbus versus Boeing thing... all I will say is this - I'm a Boeing driver but I'm not about to start slagging off a guy just because he's Airbus.. because (a) it's childish, and (b) it's homophobic...
The problem is not recruiting pilots with low experience, turboprop only or whatever... History show this can be fine. I was a 170 hr jet cadet myself back in the old days and I have not dinked the John Deere (yet) from the left seat.
The problem is ONLY recruiting low experience pilots and not getting the balance across the Company. Not giving the guys enough training time, undue pressure from above / left seat, lack of support if mistakes are made - THAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM...
Now let's get along and stop bashing each other - we are our own worst enemies.
As for the silly Airbus versus Boeing thing... all I will say is this - I'm a Boeing driver but I'm not about to start slagging off a guy just because he's Airbus.. because (a) it's childish, and (b) it's homophobic...
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Where have I banged on at any point about fighter pilot skills?
I don't think they are relevant.
My point is that there is no great skill required.
Your experience at Easy is no more useful than a TP. That is my point.
As you say, you whizzed around to places you knew. How I that any more useful than 6000 hrs TP around Africa?
Suddenly, these people who have flown around in cr@ppy TPs for years get a chance to step into a shiny jet.
My point is that they are no more likely to be a burden than a 5000hr EasyJet pilot.
Don't get me wrong, my old Airline used to take a lot of ex Easy, and I have to say you were all very well trained and excellent, unlike the majority at my airline who also had appalling handling skills.
The appalling handling skills come with flying the jet for too long.
Not trying to get into Emirates.
Can't afford the pay cut.
It does make me laugh to have a whole group of pilot decide that they are something special and that TP guys and cadets are not worthy.
There is nothing different about Emirates from the other big airlines and they all cope.
I think this has far more to do with peoples worry that it will impinge upon their chances of a terms and conditions upgrade.
I full understand why you might want this, but on the other hand I am pleased that all the poor TP guys who for years have been condemned to stay where they are whilst all the kids went straight past them on the easy/ryan to proper airline expressway.
Where have I banged on at any point about fighter pilot skills?
I don't think they are relevant.
My point is that there is no great skill required.
Your experience at Easy is no more useful than a TP. That is my point.
As you say, you whizzed around to places you knew. How I that any more useful than 6000 hrs TP around Africa?
Suddenly, these people who have flown around in cr@ppy TPs for years get a chance to step into a shiny jet.
My point is that they are no more likely to be a burden than a 5000hr EasyJet pilot.
Don't get me wrong, my old Airline used to take a lot of ex Easy, and I have to say you were all very well trained and excellent, unlike the majority at my airline who also had appalling handling skills.
The appalling handling skills come with flying the jet for too long.
Not trying to get into Emirates.
Can't afford the pay cut.
It does make me laugh to have a whole group of pilot decide that they are something special and that TP guys and cadets are not worthy.
There is nothing different about Emirates from the other big airlines and they all cope.
I think this has far more to do with peoples worry that it will impinge upon their chances of a terms and conditions upgrade.
I full understand why you might want this, but on the other hand I am pleased that all the poor TP guys who for years have been condemned to stay where they are whilst all the kids went straight past them on the easy/ryan to proper airline expressway.
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Excellent post, Good Cat.