Days Off String with Jepp Bid System

[trimotor]

Did I hear a rumour recently, that TCAS had, at a recent Training Standardisation meeting, confirmed that the new bid/rostering system would limit days of to a maximum of 3?

[Dropp the Pilot]

Funny you should say that. I was just reading the last Training Newsletter where Martin says trainers will enter into the new rostering system later in the year. Four months ago at the Standardisation Meeting he emphatically declared that the new rostering system would in no way impede the current luxury trainers have of adjoining two five-day blocks of "off" days which bridge two months.

We know that won't be possible with the new system so was he deluded, disingenuous, or over-ruled?

I would definitely vacate the training role if we lost that little perk.

Depending on who you are, news of my possible departure may form a little Eid present. Enjoy.

[LHR Rain]

The biggest present you could give us Drop is if you left the company and not just training.
The way things are transpiring at EK that shouldn't be too hard for you or anyone.

[Am NOT Sure]

More training and less complaining

[yardman]

In the last standardization meeting both Stealey and Martin confirmed that the restriction on stringing days off at the end of one month with days off at the beginning of the next month would not apply to trainers.

[glofish]

If true: Why them and not everybody? WTF!

Animal Farm Syndrom hitting the training department as well.

[sluggums]

Because we don't get any leave we want... That's why. Martin is trying to shore his end of the sinking ship up.

[BigGeordie]

Whilst not taking anything away from how hard the trainers work....

NOBODY gets the leave they want. I've been owed 20 days for three years following cancellation of leave for a course. And I'm trying to take it off peak!

[adel]

I just dont get it,
We all work hard, trainers or line pilots are all in the same boat.
So the premise you havent been awarded your leave allows you the right to have a string of days off while others are faced with forced leave of random 4 days is acceptable...
Im sorry, but your just wrong

[Praise Jebus]

It's called robbing Peter to pay Paul. Anyone doing extra duties like training, safety, recruiting etc deservedly should be remunerated for that work. But if a company doesn't want to pay too many $$$ s then they can offer other incentives that cost nothing. Preferential bidding and less bidding restrictions for example. The people who 'pay' are everybody else..ie line pilots in this case. Clever really.....

[Townie]

The cycle continues. Every so often they get into a situation where they lose trainers who want to return to the "good life" on the line. Reasons have varied from line pilots making copious overtime which more than made up for the appointment pay, to overwork in the training ranks and not abiding by the promised rules for training.

What hasn't varied, however, is the company response to said problem. Faced with the decision to treat/reward the minority (i.e. trainers) better, or the majority worse they have always decided on the latter. Cue O/T threshold moved to ridiculous levels, roster micromanagement, manual insertions, and now this.

I heard LB advised some who intended to resign from training recently to hang in there, as the new rostering system would be crap for line pilots as compared to trainers.

Truly cost neutral on the books. Short term anyway. Well done.

[Dropp the Pilot]

All true.

You should be aware that they are not above playing off trainers against trainers.

Some time back there was a shortage of people willing to become TRIs. Solution? Increase TRI pay by 15% and leave TRE pay unchanged.

Fair and just, no?

[sluggums]

All fair points re trainers. However, every time additional leave becomes available, guess what... "Not for trainers". I'm not decrying the line pilots but a (much?) higher proportion of the trainers didn't get their leave and had almost all of it allocated/forced...

It's neither here nor there, the company is shafting everybody. Pilots, CC, Engineers and ground staff.

[The Zohan]

yeah, all so amazing and interesting, but how about the system restricting a string of days off to a max of three.
is it true?

tz

[glofish]

I'm not decrying the line pilots but a (much?) higher proportion of the trainers didn't get their leave and had almost all of it allocated/forced...

Then leave the silly training department, but don't accept goodies others don't enjoy just because you want to stay in training.
You already get more (and deserved) doe, but that should be it! Basta!

Divide and conquer is very much alive, but still not morally acceptable.
You play the game, you take the blame.

Days off and leave are primordial requirements for QOL. A very sound advice to any manager and for that instance even for employees: Don't f*ck with that.

It takes some 5 years to get the word out externally that some management really lies and cheats extensively, it's definitely out now.
It takes only a few instants to get the word out internally when some groups start foul play.

You had a bad name and MM tried hard to rectify. Now it all goes to shambles again. Not looking forward to my next encounter with any of you.

[sluggums]

I never said I wanted to leave the training department. All I said was MM was allowing the trainers strings of days off...

I never said it was right or wrong. All I've done is stated the facts. Get over yourself. Don't got putting words in my mouth.

[SOPS]

Trainers get strings of days off, up to ten days, the rest can't. Divide and conquer wins.

It seems Trainers can go home each month for 10 days, while the rest struggle to 21 days in a row each year.

Seems there is a small imbalance there.

As I said, divide a conquer wins.

[sluggums]

Fair enough...

Every other month actually, but I agree the system as a whole is falling apart.

[glofish]

I never said I wanted to leave the training department. All I said was MM was allowing the trainers strings of days off...
I never said it was right or wrong. All I've done is stated the facts. Get over yourself. Don't got putting words in my mouth.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I simply proposed you could leave training, because what's happening is not correct. If you want to proceed, fair enough, but then swallow our disrespect.

But don't come on here whining about you supposedly not getting as much leave as the line pilots and you supposedly working more. If at all (and i dispute it) it is all self inflicted and quite nicely remunerated.

I state it once again: Irrespective of what pilot you are at EK, all of us are entitled to the same amount and conditions of days off and leave. There is nothing about that part of quality of life that should be neither traded nor accepted. It is too important.

AS and MM are about to nail a huge one into the coffin if this goes too far!

[SOPS]

Golfish, it has been the case for years. Trainers can get 10 days off in a row, us line people could not. When I joined it was easy to get 10 days off in a row, but this was taken off line pilots.
Then there was a Max of 5 days in a row. Usually in my case, followed by a ULR. So, they were useless to me, 2 days to go home and back was just stupid.

Now, if the max three day string is true, what it works into well is the acclimated rules.

Unless you live or want to go within the prescribed time difference, you are stuffed.

Trainers will keep their 10 off strings, and so can escape.

This is one of the reasons I chose the option.....if you don't like it leave....