New Crew Rostering System at EK
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The Mater OFP is not intended to be a work of art.
It's a document for YOU to use on YOUR flight to get safely from A to B. Sure it has to be kept correctly and appropriately completed, but who cares what is written/highlighted/drawn on it.
We're not at school anymore and getting gold stars for neatness. It's about getting the job DONE.
It's a document for YOU to use on YOUR flight to get safely from A to B. Sure it has to be kept correctly and appropriately completed, but who cares what is written/highlighted/drawn on it.
We're not at school anymore and getting gold stars for neatness. It's about getting the job DONE.
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That's ridiculous Mr Cat...surely you must know on any given day, far more warning letters are issued than OFPs. That policy would never work.
EK actually owns its own paper mill just for warning letter paper. Once issued, they are then recycled into OFPs, with the substantial balance of paper going to build housing for underprivileged children in Bangladesh through the company charities.
So embrace the worthy and ubiquitous EK warning letter. Much good comes of it.
EK actually owns its own paper mill just for warning letter paper. Once issued, they are then recycled into OFPs, with the substantial balance of paper going to build housing for underprivileged children in Bangladesh through the company charities.
So embrace the worthy and ubiquitous EK warning letter. Much good comes of it.
I doubt it Jayto, more likely due to the haemorrhaging of pilots at the moment someone has had the stones to point out that this doesn't actually cost anything, and is merely a mean spirited policy implemented by an earth bound desk jockey.
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On the contrary. I suspect this is play 1-01 from the management book of dirty tricks.
First, Decide what bad news you want the troops to swallow.
Second, Present rumours that proposed changes are even worse than those that management actually have in mind.
Third, Just prior to implementation, appear to give a little by falling back to the position management really wanted all along.
Results?
First, management have pulled the wool over most peoples eyes and gotten exactly what they always wanted.
Second, The troops believe (wrongly) that they have scored a minor victory and are, thus, happy.
Don't fall for it.
First, Decide what bad news you want the troops to swallow.
Second, Present rumours that proposed changes are even worse than those that management actually have in mind.
Third, Just prior to implementation, appear to give a little by falling back to the position management really wanted all along.
Results?
First, management have pulled the wool over most peoples eyes and gotten exactly what they always wanted.
Second, The troops believe (wrongly) that they have scored a minor victory and are, thus, happy.
Don't fall for it.
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Or.......
After getting no help in "stress testing" the system the are coming to the conclusion that the new "improved" expensive upgrade can't produce a roster with all the stupid petty imposed rules.
Don't forget. The previous system could do the job if left alone. It only fell down due to the company imposed rules.
I think they now see that even this expensive upgrade won't do the job either, hence the "relaxing" of some rules "for our benefit"
Just my take on it.
J.
After getting no help in "stress testing" the system the are coming to the conclusion that the new "improved" expensive upgrade can't produce a roster with all the stupid petty imposed rules.
Don't forget. The previous system could do the job if left alone. It only fell down due to the company imposed rules.
I think they now see that even this expensive upgrade won't do the job either, hence the "relaxing" of some rules "for our benefit"
Just my take on it.
J.
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Or......
They have finally realised that recruitment and retention is becoming a problem because of lifestyle and rostering issues. This is a way for them to relax some of the ludicrous and random restrictions without any loss of face. ("We always wanted to give you more days off in a row but the old system wouldn't let us. Now we can. See, we are nice guys really. Please don't leave.")
If recruitment and retention continue to be a problem expect to see even more clever things the new system can do that the old one couldn't.
They have finally realised that recruitment and retention is becoming a problem because of lifestyle and rostering issues. This is a way for them to relax some of the ludicrous and random restrictions without any loss of face. ("We always wanted to give you more days off in a row but the old system wouldn't let us. Now we can. See, we are nice guys really. Please don't leave.")
If recruitment and retention continue to be a problem expect to see even more clever things the new system can do that the old one couldn't.
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Seriously, you think that the system can give you a string of more than 5 days off in a row, when flying 95 plus hours, ground duties and standby's dream on. It's a placebo, don't swallow it. Might as well say you can bid for 10 days off in a row, bidding is not getting.
Recently I had a chance to have a frank discussion with a senior member of staff, I said that essentially they could resolve their un-acknowledged retention and recruitment issues for virtually no cost, for all the reasons we all know and love. The response? Silence, and a return to his suite, read into that what you will.
Second, The troops believe (wrongly) that they have scored a minor victory and are, thus, happy.
It's a classic tactic straight from the Ryanair handbook of management. Take something away that the troops should have anyway - then give it back when times are tough to look generous. And it works every time. The best bit is, it's all at zero cost.
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Just to put it simply, this new system will never work as it was deigned to.
EK have stripped it of most of the options and left the bare minimum.
Other airlines run our old system who have more pilots the EK with no problem at all. It doesn't work because of all the manual intervention, simple at that.
Why you ask yourself? SPITE!!!! pure and simple, because they can
Why should we have what we want? why should we have great rosters that keeps you happy? Why cant you bid 5 days off at the end of one roster month and 5 off at the start of the next? SPITE that's why!!!
As long as the flight are manned who gives a damn. Let people have what they want and stop this immature bullying.
This is supposed to be a global airline. What it is, is a long haul airline with a short haul mentality. So grown up and start treating people properly and that way you might be able to stop chasing a shrinking seniority list.
And yes I'm doing something about it. Plans are being put in place now as I type and I'm away ASAP!!!
EK have stripped it of most of the options and left the bare minimum.
Other airlines run our old system who have more pilots the EK with no problem at all. It doesn't work because of all the manual intervention, simple at that.
Why you ask yourself? SPITE!!!! pure and simple, because they can
Why should we have what we want? why should we have great rosters that keeps you happy? Why cant you bid 5 days off at the end of one roster month and 5 off at the start of the next? SPITE that's why!!!
As long as the flight are manned who gives a damn. Let people have what they want and stop this immature bullying.
This is supposed to be a global airline. What it is, is a long haul airline with a short haul mentality. So grown up and start treating people properly and that way you might be able to stop chasing a shrinking seniority list.
And yes I'm doing something about it. Plans are being put in place now as I type and I'm away ASAP!!!
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I would love to see how they plan on giving me 5 days off in a row when my entire month is eight days off. My guess is 330 guys lose again. Oh, and again, and again........
And released just in time for Christmas. Gotta love their timing.