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Old 1st Sep 2015, 07:00
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I just can't believe 50% of them still did it. We are our worse ennemies. They won't have mine, that's for sure. What a shame, It is just unbelievable how this company is becoming. Use to be a good place to work. For those who are planning to join PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read all the informations you can find on this forum, don't DON'T DON'T leave your current job for this company.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 07:07
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The new system will flagrantly violate the OMA like the last - every time I go to kiosk past eGate I acknowledge the brief starts in 5(?) minutes 90(?) prior followed by a page that asks me to click to ack I'm will comply with OMA (60 mins.)

They take 30 mins of our time - every time - and don't pay us (would prob put some 330 guys into productivity due amount of duty in's per month)

They don't pay you for ground & sim duties unlike our friends close by.

Unpaid off duty study is mandatory through distance learning.

They give no jump seat - unlike our friends near by.

They took away our off line ALT cities in US - unlike our friends close by.

They haven't given you a pay raise since 2008.

If they don't like you - they can have a look at your liver at their pleasure.

You want us to dummy bid. Pay us...I cannot give away my free time in the same way I wouldn't expect the company to.

Purely taking a page out of the corporate soul.

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Old 1st Sep 2015, 11:24
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What he said!! I couldn't agree more!!
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 13:29
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Now here's the rub. When the new system goes live and it is purely ****e, who they gonna blame? Certainly not themselves. They will lament that they gave us plenty of opportunities to dummy bid to work out the bugs. But since only 50% put in a bid, then halas. It's a win win for them, a lose lose for the pilots. Nothing will change the system either way, but they have a built in scapegoat.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 15:24
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panther 88 .... Sadly you are 100% correct.

Hopefully if ZERO % bid that may send a message. However they would never admit that. I bet last month way less bid.

Anyway. I'm not doing a parallel bid. Couldn't care anymore.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 15:35
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Come on please...... He has even sent another e-mail out this evening explaining everything.

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Old 1st Sep 2015, 15:36
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No, everyone involved will know that they screwed up.

The system performs perfectly well with other big users, so there is no reason on earth that it should not do its job at EK, apart for the additional BS they (he) put in.

It costs a lot of money and if it does not perform, guess who will get the bashing?
"He" won't, he can do nothing wrong for the obvious reasons we all endure in the pit, the system can't be blamed as it works well with all other users. That leaves only one or two poor pawns below him.

Any attempt to blame it further down the food chain would be futile.

They know it, Jep knows it, we know it and that is the reason good old TCAS is panicking with this fourth letter!
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 15:46
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Just been and bought some popcorn........ This could be fun!

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Old 1st Sep 2015, 17:51
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It's A EK Roster System

It is not a bidding system. 5 choices out of literally thousands? It's an EK rostering system designed to exclude or greatly limit any pilot input to maximize EK operations. You are much better off with the "failing" CRS system. How does a 330 guy with 15-18 flights get satisfaction with 5 choices?
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 18:08
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The whole idea of parallel bidding is for the pilots to try different bidding strategies over the course of several months, so that they are experienced at using the new system and get high bid satisfaction.




Without trial bid awards, there is no point in bidding. At least the cabin crew realized this and only 25% bid last month. I'm not sure why any pilots bid at all.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 20:19
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Surely

It must be possible to replicate bids in the new system automatically instead of relying on humans to enter bids manually on 2 different systems?

Data roll out
Data conversion
Data roll in

I am sure there are technical challenges but still...
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 23:17
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If you are like me and have as many as 30-40 lines in your bid and the new system limits you to significantly less, that may be easier said than done?
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 23:58
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I think you are all missing the point. TCAS is about to leave. He is desperatley trying to prove to those that pay his bonus, that his latest scheme to screw pilots and save money has worked. Them he can get some more bonus into his suitcase before he goes.

But to do this, he needs your 'help' to prove this. This is why he is so desperate for your parallel bids.
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 01:55
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Ahh, good ole SOPS... Pot got too hot so he got out (not a bad thing), but now sits on the side and fans the flame with innuendo and drivel. Carry on mate, you clearly know more than us on this subject.
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 05:31
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New Crew Rostering System at EK

How about we all put a parallel bid in so that if indeed the system is substandard, we won't be blamed for its' failings. It falls in their lap.

Also, just wanted to point out that in addition to the annual step increment, we in fact did get a 3% pay rise in 2010, 5% in 2011, and 0.5% in 2013.

And they just raised the ESA, Educational Support allowance as of the 1st of September 2015.

They also raised the training requirements for limited experience FOs to 30 sectors and 120 hours before a final check.
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 07:56
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Devil Unbelievable!!

You have got to be joking.

I wouldn't ... on them if they were on fire let alone help them with a new

shafting system. I for one will not be entering a parallel bid!!

No matter how they try to sell it, there will be a lot of Vaseline required when

this enters our lives soon!!

And as for the payrise................ How about inflation over those generous years of rises including school fees!!!!

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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 08:28
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You honestly think 0.5% is considered a raise? It's more like a slap in the face considering the profits this circus of an airline rakes in. And help them manipulate a bidding system that will further deteriorate our quality of life and rosters? Not a chance!
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 09:55
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Sheik

I said we hadn't had a pay raise since 2008.

We took a 15% pay cut in 2009 - so net:net -6.5% using your numbers.

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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 12:47
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New Crew Rostering System at EK

Sorry filion I missed the email about the pay-cut in 2009. By 'pay-cut' you mean the productivity thresholds being raised? My contractual salary was raised though. Productivity is not contractural is it? Just asking...
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 14:23
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Yes Sheik, that's what I was referring to - getting paid less per hour in anyone's book is a pay cut.

This is not a legal forum and if we were to take from purely a legal/contractual stance like you are suggesting - then no one would go through eGate until 61m prior.

I hope you defend and act on the 60 prior contractual principle in the same way you defend the other.

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