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Old 25th May 2015, 14:01
  #41 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sandy beach
Posts: 430
We have the lowest overtime / productivity rates in the free world. Why not reduce the productivity threshold down slightly? They can work about the same hours and we pay them slightly more for killing themselves. Great idea. Sign it off.

What a spectacular disappointment.

No real pay increase for 3 years and counting…..
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Old 25th May 2015, 14:10
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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It's sad really......very disappointed.

Nobody will want to joint us and am not prepare to keep flying like this anymore.

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Old 25th May 2015, 14:13
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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As somebody else has pointed out, we're obviously not as short as we think we are.

I'm 300 or so above mid-seniority, and have moved up approx 80 places since January 2014. To me, slightly more than 6 captains a month is a lot, but maybe not in the big scheme of things.

Take a minute or two to look at those guys who are on reserve this month. If they were flying maximum hours then this would indicate a shortage, but they're not. I have no idea about open flying but on a day to day perusal, there are always between 40 and 60 captains on reserve, and a lot of them have only done a couple to trips to date.

In five years as a captain I've averaged 835 block hours per year. My block time has been pretty much the same since I started as a captain. I am busier because as the 380 takes more and more of the ULR flying, my hours are kept up by turn arounds, hence the reduction in off days.

It's the FOs who are now feeling the pinch and are doing most of the chirping here and in the cockpit. Ask any FO who has upgraded in the last year or so and he'll confirm that he no longer has the same lifestyle that he once had. We've always been short of captains, and only recently have we become short of FOs.

I believe the company is calling our collective bluff. They hear endless threats of resignations but they never fully materialise. So they decide to honour our contract with a step then sit back and observe. If pilots leave en masse there may be another pay review and, if not, management will get a another pat on the back for reading the situation correctly.

Blue side up.

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Old 25th May 2015, 14:21
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The productivity threshold is a Red Herring, the new restoring system May be far better at optimising. So ten months of 85-88Hrs and two months for leave, sim, ground school etc, pilots fly 850-880 hrs and no overtime will be paid.

Simple really
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Old 25th May 2015, 14:22
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I believe the company is calling our collective bluff. They hear endless threats of resignations but they never fully materialise. So they decide to honour our contract with a step then sit back and observe. If pilots leave en masse there may be another pay review and, if not, management will get a another pat on the back for reading the situation correctly.
I agree........so lets see
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Old 25th May 2015, 14:27
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Relax guys. By giving us squat, they are reducing their costs against the stated profit goal for next year. So they really are doing us a great favour. You see our profit share next year will br HUGE because of no pay raise. They're investing in our future, thank you. My prediction for next year is 24 weeks. They are so generous.
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Old 25th May 2015, 14:29
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Panther my prediction for next year is a light blue 777
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Old 25th May 2015, 14:55
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It is not just about recruitment and retention, it is also about motivating the 4,500 pilots you already have to put a bit of extra effort in when required. 4,500 de-motivated and upset employees can do a lot of damage to the bottom line when the chips are down and they start saying, "No."

Having said that, why would anybody join a company where you know the terms and conditions will never be any better than they are on the day you arrive?
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:03
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I am shocked by this they have made it quite clear how much they value us. It also makes swapping even harder with the productivity rules. Emirates will reap what they sow.
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:05
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One-third of MAS staff to lose jobs in matter of days, says report - The Malaysian Insider

...may have helped
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:10
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I knew Emirates was not above board but this is ridiculous and insulating.
Without question I made the right decision in leaving this sinking ship.
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:21
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Some of you really amaze me, 3 hours ago you got totally shafted and you are already trying to give the company credit for being smart. You are part the problem and Alan's wet dream of a pilot. This is nothing more than greed, apathy and total lack of competence. The iceberg has been sighted, but it's too late to turn.
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:30
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As has already been suggested, swapping is even more difficult now - impossible is not an exaggeration.....

Have just fired off an email to Capt. Alsford.

How many others here on PPRuNe have done the same?

Things won't change unless the company sees a tangible reaction to what they implement.

That's all - off to drown my sorrows now.
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:37
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And as I write this, I know the haters will come. I am shocked at the pay review, I was expecting step plus 10% at least.

I am at the moment 400 ks south of Perth, on a farm established in 1896. The company is good, the wine is good, the fire is hot and keeping us warm.

There is a life outside, it just if you can do it or not.
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:41
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Q5
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It was all within my expectations. Nothing extraordinary occurred.
As a reminder, last year there was this survey as you will recall.
Here is what I wrote regarding the survey, on foremost the , why.

Hate to wake you guys up, but there is no such thing as one of the above is being conducted in order to improve 'things' for the employee (working donkey/taxpayer etc. etc.) Its being conducted in order to make the whole system a little more leaner and meaner, without disturbing the status quo. In plain language as George Carlin would express this situation ' To jam the #@#$ a little bit deeper up your @rs#s' and it will be done with your consent, because their will be no real choices offered except the presented ones. A real solution will be undermined at ALL cost (= collateral damage)

With the survey (knowledge of what to expect from the behavior of the sheep)
They set out the war strategy and this is the execution of the above.

Result = 0 %
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Old 25th May 2015, 15:59
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Mos, the 5 stages of grief all in 3 pages:

Denial One of the first reactions is Denial, wherein the survivor imagines a false, preferable reality.

Anger When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"

Bargaining The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use anything valuable against another human agency to extend or prolong the life. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

Depression "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual becomes saddened by the certainty of death. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.

Acceptance "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace TCAS and the management which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
Works quite well really!
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Old 25th May 2015, 16:03
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Remember EK cares less about you and your QOL
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Old 25th May 2015, 16:10
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Well Saltaire i am flying a 737 right now. After 85 hours i get paid 28 euros per hour so think again before saying something about Ek having the least productivity pay rate lol.
80% of the legs i fly is approximately 1.5 hour and i need to fly my butt off even to get to the treshold of 85 hours. It takes like 40-50 legs to get there and believe me 737 is a hell aircraft nothing like 777 nor 330.
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Old 25th May 2015, 16:13
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Why instead of whining here don't you grow a pair of balls and do something about it. It blows my mind the fact that just by putting together a sufficient number you could halt the company. What the will do..fire you all? Have you all arrested? Grow a pair instead of buying ******* Iphones or enjoy your hyper capitalistic "freedom" and just shut up.
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Old 25th May 2015, 16:42
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The man has a point...

Press 2 and enjoy an extra day with your family/friends...
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