A380 U turn on runway causes excursion
Surely the aim of the crew was to get the ill pax. to the nearest treatment center? Unfortunate that a tire was cut (Not the end of the world!) but the aim was surely achieved? Well done!!
Am not sure. Take a moment and read what was written.
If they were a foot forward or aft of where they were nothing would have happened. Sh@t happens. The dudes were unlucky.
If they were a foot forward or aft of where they were nothing would have happened. Sh@t happens. The dudes were unlucky.
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A 180 in the 777 was the manoeuvre I looked forward to least of all. The end of 36 in MLE in a heavy (tankering) RR powered -300 on a dark night in monsoon rain and a strong westerly, or on one of the nodes at LHE (or was it PEW? Can't recall), could be demanding. Even worse with U/S GMC. Fortunately I managed many over the years with no incidents, but we should really feel for these guys in the WAW 380. There but for the grace of God etc etc
First time I did it in the aircraft was at MLE in exactly the conditions above and it definitely was not an enjoyable experience. Its a tribute to the boys (and girls) that there haven't been more excursions.
The training for these turns needs to be increased, and should be a compulsory part of every upgrade line-training course.
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First time I did it in the aircraft was at MLE in exactly the conditions above and it definitely was not an enjoyable experience. Its a tribute to the boys (and girls) that there haven't been more excursions.
The training for these turns needs to be increased, and should be a compulsory part of every upgrade line-training course.
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777 boyo you are spot on. Difficult to arrange a 180 turn in the real world but the manoeuvre should be more than a 'box - ticking' exercise which it is at the moment. 1 shot per trainee in the sim and off you go.
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We are quick to ask for respect and renumeration for our jobs, especially now with the blatant slap in the face of the pay review.
This might seem strange in the eyes of amateurs, slf and office jerks when they have to read on these pages that EK pilots nearly wet themselves when performing 180s on runways or when they learn that cutting up tires that aog airliners is deemed by us as only "unlucky".
Were the Asiana guys only "unlucky" when missing the runway by a meager 50 feet or were they incompetent? Where is the limit in feet or luck?
Please, if we want a decent pay and respect, then stop posting such cr@p that can lead to huge misinterpretation for non pros! Passengers might get afraid to board dugongs, but most probably will first of all lose a lot of respect for us.
This might seem strange in the eyes of amateurs, slf and office jerks when they have to read on these pages that EK pilots nearly wet themselves when performing 180s on runways or when they learn that cutting up tires that aog airliners is deemed by us as only "unlucky".
Were the Asiana guys only "unlucky" when missing the runway by a meager 50 feet or were they incompetent? Where is the limit in feet or luck?
Please, if we want a decent pay and respect, then stop posting such cr@p that can lead to huge misinterpretation for non pros! Passengers might get afraid to board dugongs, but most probably will first of all lose a lot of respect for us.
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Glofish.
The intent of my original post was to elicit some sympathy/empathy for the WAW guys.
However, I take your point about non pro readers, and as I'd not want to be responsible for any reduction in your respect levels or indeed for any adverse effects on your future pay raises, I've edited my post with a form of wording which I hope you'll find more to your liking.
Happy flying!
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The intent of my original post was to elicit some sympathy/empathy for the WAW guys.
However, I take your point about non pro readers, and as I'd not want to be responsible for any reduction in your respect levels or indeed for any adverse effects on your future pay raises, I've edited my post with a form of wording which I hope you'll find more to your liking.
Happy flying!
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Back in 1996 I was a brand spanking new skipper on the 747 classic.
Had all of 15 hours in the left seat.
Flew a charter from Jeddah to Split and had to do a 180.
Was a little too enthusiastic and got the right hand wing gear in the grass.
After the turn I looked over at the tire tracks in the grass: A pair of wheels had rolled over a runway light, with the light un-damaged as the wheels had rolled on either side of it.
I turned left, should have turned right, bubble was on the right side.
Lesson learned, no damage, lucky day
Had all of 15 hours in the left seat.
Flew a charter from Jeddah to Split and had to do a 180.
Was a little too enthusiastic and got the right hand wing gear in the grass.
After the turn I looked over at the tire tracks in the grass: A pair of wheels had rolled over a runway light, with the light un-damaged as the wheels had rolled on either side of it.
I turned left, should have turned right, bubble was on the right side.
Lesson learned, no damage, lucky day
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Back in 1996 I was a brand spanking new skipper on the 747 classic.
Had all of 15 hours in the left seat.
Flew a charter from Jeddah to Split and had to do a 180.
Was a little too enthusiastic and got the right hand wing gear in the grass.
After the turn I looked over at the tire tracks in the grass: A pair of wheels had rolled over a runway light, with the light un-damaged as the wheels had rolled on either side of it.
I turned left, should have turned right, bubble was on the right side.
Lesson learned, no damage, lucky day
Had all of 15 hours in the left seat.
Flew a charter from Jeddah to Split and had to do a 180.
Was a little too enthusiastic and got the right hand wing gear in the grass.
After the turn I looked over at the tire tracks in the grass: A pair of wheels had rolled over a runway light, with the light un-damaged as the wheels had rolled on either side of it.
I turned left, should have turned right, bubble was on the right side.
Lesson learned, no damage, lucky day
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Been a while, but the bubble he's referring to is the bubble in the turn and slip indicator probably.
Not something the magenta line generation would know anything about!
Not something the magenta line generation would know anything about!
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Uh, no.
Not the bubble in the Turn and Slip Indiactor.
I was referring to the concrete turn button on the runway in Split.
I know, sloppy slang, lazy US pilots not using standardized phraseology.
Not the bubble in the Turn and Slip Indiactor.
I was referring to the concrete turn button on the runway in Split.
I know, sloppy slang, lazy US pilots not using standardized phraseology.
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I'm with glo on this one. Yes a 180 is not the easiest thing to do in the super, but that is what we are paid to do. It is not the most difficult manoeuvre either, the procedure (technique) is clearly written in the FCOM and if followed, it is actually not difficult at all, just a bit scary because we hardly go them in real life.
But seriously, how can you complain about the lack of respect from management if you don't respect your own profession.. seems that too much exposure to EK turned a lot of us into little girls.
And no, I don't feel sorry for the guys involved. Either they didn't realise that a 180 would be involved, they didn't review the procedure (which is not complicated and long as some posters claim) which is also poor planning, or they just didn't execute it very well which is poor handling, but at no stage they were unlucky...
But seriously, how can you complain about the lack of respect from management if you don't respect your own profession.. seems that too much exposure to EK turned a lot of us into little girls.
And no, I don't feel sorry for the guys involved. Either they didn't realise that a 180 would be involved, they didn't review the procedure (which is not complicated and long as some posters claim) which is also poor planning, or they just didn't execute it very well which is poor handling, but at no stage they were unlucky...
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I am sure the office people want to sack them but this could be such bad press "EK Captain sacked after saving a life"
Our management pilots screwed up a zillion times but nothing has ever happened to anyone.
Our management pilots screwed up a zillion times but nothing has ever happened to anyone.
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.More detail would be great.
Thanks
Thanks
One airport I fly to has a turn button before the end, the Jeppesen Pages states that using the turn button is requiered for the 767s, but not for 757s.
Company requirement rather than airport, but still required.
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Well, I thought it was pretty clear, but if still fuzzy:
One airport I fly to has a turn button before the end, the Jeppesen Pages states that using the turn button is requiered for the 767s, but not for 757s.
Company requirement rather than airport, but still required.
One airport I fly to has a turn button before the end, the Jeppesen Pages states that using the turn button is requiered for the 767s, but not for 757s.
Company requirement rather than airport, but still required.
