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Yeah, hoping the captains around here will put their money there their mouth is and voice their discontent to AS and JA. I would too if I was sure it would not be "career limiting"...
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Are pilots locked into reducing T&C's ? Airlines understand most won't go due seniority or it's just more difficult to leave than stay . Airlines don't really head hunt and make offers that make it easy to leave . Airlines know if they give huge pay increases they will get interest but then a richer airline just offers more so are we witnessing airlines having a unofficial policy of never offering more that's reciprocated all over the world ?
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Agree with Harry. Check in at STD-60, go straight to FDM and ask for bus to aircraft. You can still take company transport and have a costa while you wait for STD-60.
Not working on days off etc, been doing that for years, hope everybody gets that now.
Writing them an email? Useless, tried it and got snotty replies every time.
Not working on days off etc, been doing that for years, hope everybody gets that now.
Writing them an email? Useless, tried it and got snotty replies every time.
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I have written emails for years, stop in on occasion and voiced my opinion, asks pointed questions at wash-ups and have checked in at just past 60 mins but nothing has changed and nothing will change. Pardon my pessimism.
13 1/2 months to go and I can't wait. I think it will get worse here as well.
13 1/2 months to go and I can't wait. I think it will get worse here as well.
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The big pay turnaround: 2015 Salary Forecasts
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The big pay turnaround: Eurozone recovering, emerging markets falter in 2015
• Global salary rises up compared to last year
• But workers in key emerging markets will experience real wage cuts
• Increase in Europe driven by previously struggling countries such as Ireland and Greece
Latest data from global management consultancy Hay Group reveals that salaries are increasing at a faster rate than last year despite disappointing growth in several key emerging markets.
Struggling emerging markets
Salaries across the globe are set to rise by 5.4% on average for 2015 – compared to 5.2% last year. But this average masks a significant slowdown in emerging markets like Brazil, Russia and Ukraine, which have been the key drivers of growth in recent years.
Workers in these countries can expect to see salary rises of 6.1%, 6.8% and 6.8% respectively. However, with inflation (predicted to be 6.5%, 7.5% and 10.7%), employees will experience real wage cuts of 0.4%, 0.7% and 3.9%.
Signs of hope in Europe
Salaries in Europe have been buoyed by the improving performance of economies that have struggled recently. Most notably, Greece and Ireland are set to see salary rises of 1.3% and 1.4% respectively, a real wage growth of 2.5% and 1.1% – compared to 0.8% and 0.2% last year, as both countries return to economic growth.
Across the region, salaries are expected to rise by 3.1%. And with low inflation (predicted to be 1.5%), employees will see real average wage growth of 1.6%.
It is also good news in the UK for employees who will start to see a recovery in wage growth. While salary rises of 2.5% are the same as last year, with lower inflation (predicted to be 1.7%) employees will experience an increase in real income (0.8%) for only the second time since 2009.
Turkey is forecast to experience the largest increase in Europe with pay rises up to 9.0% but workers will still feel a squeeze on income with inflation predicted to be 8.9%.
Ben Frost, consultant at Hay Group, comments: “This year’s global forecast shows pay rises rising at a higher rate this year compared to last. However, this conceals stark variations from region to region and country to country. Each market has its own complexities and organizations must understand the detail if they want to attract and retain the best workers. The big turnaround is between Europe and the emerging markets. Real pay is now rising in many European markets, but in key emerging economies, which have been the boom area of the last 10 years, real wages are falling.”
Strong growth in the Middle East and Africa
Despite broader economic and political turmoil, salaries in the Middle East and Africa are forecast to rise by 5.6% and 6.9% respectively, a real growth in income of 2.9% and 2.0% as inflation is predicted to remain relatively low.
Ben Frost concludes: “To make low salary rises stretch further, workers who are performing well may receive higher than average pay increases, while it’s likely that poor and average performing workers will receive little if no increase. However, a business is nothing without its people and, during periods of low growth, organizations must think creatively about how they motivate and reward their employees.”
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Please note: this study should be credited to ‘global management consultancy, Hay Group’, and not ‘Hay’ or ‘Hays’, which are separate and unrelated organisations.
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The big pay turnaround: Eurozone recovering, emerging markets falter in 2015
• Global salary rises up compared to last year
• But workers in key emerging markets will experience real wage cuts
• Increase in Europe driven by previously struggling countries such as Ireland and Greece
Latest data from global management consultancy Hay Group reveals that salaries are increasing at a faster rate than last year despite disappointing growth in several key emerging markets.
Struggling emerging markets
Salaries across the globe are set to rise by 5.4% on average for 2015 – compared to 5.2% last year. But this average masks a significant slowdown in emerging markets like Brazil, Russia and Ukraine, which have been the key drivers of growth in recent years.
Workers in these countries can expect to see salary rises of 6.1%, 6.8% and 6.8% respectively. However, with inflation (predicted to be 6.5%, 7.5% and 10.7%), employees will experience real wage cuts of 0.4%, 0.7% and 3.9%.
Signs of hope in Europe
Salaries in Europe have been buoyed by the improving performance of economies that have struggled recently. Most notably, Greece and Ireland are set to see salary rises of 1.3% and 1.4% respectively, a real wage growth of 2.5% and 1.1% – compared to 0.8% and 0.2% last year, as both countries return to economic growth.
Across the region, salaries are expected to rise by 3.1%. And with low inflation (predicted to be 1.5%), employees will see real average wage growth of 1.6%.
It is also good news in the UK for employees who will start to see a recovery in wage growth. While salary rises of 2.5% are the same as last year, with lower inflation (predicted to be 1.7%) employees will experience an increase in real income (0.8%) for only the second time since 2009.
Turkey is forecast to experience the largest increase in Europe with pay rises up to 9.0% but workers will still feel a squeeze on income with inflation predicted to be 8.9%.
Ben Frost, consultant at Hay Group, comments: “This year’s global forecast shows pay rises rising at a higher rate this year compared to last. However, this conceals stark variations from region to region and country to country. Each market has its own complexities and organizations must understand the detail if they want to attract and retain the best workers. The big turnaround is between Europe and the emerging markets. Real pay is now rising in many European markets, but in key emerging economies, which have been the boom area of the last 10 years, real wages are falling.”
Strong growth in the Middle East and Africa
Despite broader economic and political turmoil, salaries in the Middle East and Africa are forecast to rise by 5.6% and 6.9% respectively, a real growth in income of 2.9% and 2.0% as inflation is predicted to remain relatively low.
Ben Frost concludes: “To make low salary rises stretch further, workers who are performing well may receive higher than average pay increases, while it’s likely that poor and average performing workers will receive little if no increase. However, a business is nothing without its people and, during periods of low growth, organizations must think creatively about how they motivate and reward their employees.”
Ends
Please note: this study should be credited to ‘global management consultancy, Hay Group’, and not ‘Hay’ or ‘Hays’, which are separate and unrelated organisations.
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Payment up front for the rubber chicken curry was because too many of the red shirts were walking out of the canteen without paying in industrial numbers, they had to do something about it, but like most corrective action the consequences are for all not the culprits
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When the new hires are stealing from the company in such huge numbers it does make you wonder what they are recruiting. I have never heard of any company canteen anywhere where they trust the staff so little you have to pay for your food before you get it.
These are the people we spend our layovers with and who look after us on the aircraft. Maybe we should warn the passengers to lock their hand luggage?
These are the people we spend our layovers with and who look after us on the aircraft. Maybe we should warn the passengers to lock their hand luggage?
My contract adjust letter on HR direct still only shows the pay review from 2014. I wonder if the new increment will make it in the June pay?
Also found the pay step you are on is shown on the contract adjust history page. Max step is number 30 I believe so you can see where you sit.
Also found the pay step you are on is shown on the contract adjust history page. Max step is number 30 I believe so you can see where you sit.
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Gentlemen,
Have you realized that EK Management have achieved the unachievable?
It is not about the money anymore.
I can't recall the last time I met someone at work who didn't hate working for EK. Poor management practices have managed to detach the great majority of the workforce from the company to the point that increasing our salaries or improving our terms is not gonna change anything!
Once trust and loyalty are lost... good luck trying to win them back.
Have you realized that EK Management have achieved the unachievable?
It is not about the money anymore.
I can't recall the last time I met someone at work who didn't hate working for EK. Poor management practices have managed to detach the great majority of the workforce from the company to the point that increasing our salaries or improving our terms is not gonna change anything!
Once trust and loyalty are lost... good luck trying to win them back.
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It is not about the money anymore.
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Money matters, certainly. But simply throwing money at the situation will not work.
Money will help sustain any implemented change, but first we need change. Nobody trusts management anymore, nobody! It has been lost permanently. So a change in management is primordial. The actual protagonists can not stay if any change in the lethal erosion at EK is desired. We all know who has to go and it is simply up to HH to go ahead. As long as he is so distant to reality, nothing can happen, even a 20% pay rise will be simply taken, but no change will ensue.
The recruiting problems originate not only in the unattractive package, but more in the negative propaganda among pilots. Such mouth to mouth transfer of experience and knowledge is widely underestimated, because it is relatively slow to show. But once it does, it is even slower to go away if desired, because it is completely out of control of the companies and its cronies, it is entirely in the hands of the pilots themselves, especially of the ones in the respective company. This will haunt each and every manager, because it is so out of his control. Therefore the panic actions on all levels at EK, to show they are doing something, even though it is futile. Control is very much lost at Emirates Airlines, the control by TC and by AAR! They are doomed, and it is self inflicted.
A new team will be faced with multiple problems. I think the fast track to gaining the employees back to more or less function normally at least for some time, would be to cancel some flights as to give everyone some breathing space: Contractual leave for pilots, no overtime obligation for mechanics, humane rosters for FAs. If some think that this is inconceivable, then i would simply remind the situation with the runway closure. EK handled this quite well, so a similar response to this equally threatening problem can work.
Money will help sustain any implemented change, but first we need change. Nobody trusts management anymore, nobody! It has been lost permanently. So a change in management is primordial. The actual protagonists can not stay if any change in the lethal erosion at EK is desired. We all know who has to go and it is simply up to HH to go ahead. As long as he is so distant to reality, nothing can happen, even a 20% pay rise will be simply taken, but no change will ensue.
The recruiting problems originate not only in the unattractive package, but more in the negative propaganda among pilots. Such mouth to mouth transfer of experience and knowledge is widely underestimated, because it is relatively slow to show. But once it does, it is even slower to go away if desired, because it is completely out of control of the companies and its cronies, it is entirely in the hands of the pilots themselves, especially of the ones in the respective company. This will haunt each and every manager, because it is so out of his control. Therefore the panic actions on all levels at EK, to show they are doing something, even though it is futile. Control is very much lost at Emirates Airlines, the control by TC and by AAR! They are doomed, and it is self inflicted.
A new team will be faced with multiple problems. I think the fast track to gaining the employees back to more or less function normally at least for some time, would be to cancel some flights as to give everyone some breathing space: Contractual leave for pilots, no overtime obligation for mechanics, humane rosters for FAs. If some think that this is inconceivable, then i would simply remind the situation with the runway closure. EK handled this quite well, so a similar response to this equally threatening problem can work.
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Replacing TC AS and AAR will be fundamental for the staff already here, for new entrances it will mean little as most would have little or no clue as to who they are, I'd never heard of AS till I meet him during induction, sitting on the desk at the front of the room head down muttering away! Does anyone doubt any replacements will only be worse, members of the elite with no idea how to change anything but there own bottom line!
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The trouble is, someone has to tell the emperor he has no clothes. ( and that would be a very brave someone). While they continue to believe their own publicity, that EK is the place that the whole world wants to work for, and they are the greatest 'life style' brand in the known universe, nothing is going to change.
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Doesn't any of you esteemed professionals at EK have the balls to ask for an audience with / write a letter to HH and give him the unsweetened truth of what has become of his airline? No Spartacus among you?