100 EK pilot resignations on 01 Apr, allegedly
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I thought the fact he said this was a bit more interesting:
“We focus on pilots. We have 4,000 pilots in the company and they work very hard and ensuring that they feel recognised is very important and we could probably do more there because the talent pool for pilots is so competitive.”
Slip of the tongue or a carefully crafted passing phrase?
(We'll find out that it was a slip of the tongue on the 10th...)
I thought the fact he said this was a bit more interesting:
“We focus on pilots. We have 4,000 pilots in the company and they work very hard and ensuring that they feel recognised is very important and we could probably do more there because the talent pool for pilots is so competitive.”
Slip of the tongue or a carefully crafted passing phrase?
(We'll find out that it was a slip of the tongue on the 10th...)
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Hi Carbo, may I ask where did you get this numbers from?
"The important number is not 4000 but 55. The monthly average of new recruits is at 44 for the first 3 months of 2016...compared to 18 a year ago.
Let's face it, there is no shortage of new joiners and I doubt the attrition rate alone will bring up T&C's."
"The important number is not 4000 but 55. The monthly average of new recruits is at 44 for the first 3 months of 2016...compared to 18 a year ago.
Let's face it, there is no shortage of new joiners and I doubt the attrition rate alone will bring up T&C's."
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May 10th has got very little relevance to his comments re pilots.
What's more important is this "very recent positive developments" email.
The longer they wait the stronger the backlash if it's not what's needed.
May 10th has got very little relevance to his comments re pilots.
What's more important is this "very recent positive developments" email.
The longer they wait the stronger the backlash if it's not what's needed.
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Because when you’re hiring 22-year-old Serbians who have never been to Dubai before, for us it’s our job to enable communication channels that remain intact
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Slightly above that, around 60 last month. Lot's of bright and enthusiastic turboprop guys and girls joining thinking Christmas has come early, some of them only 24-25 years of age. Bit different to 10 years ago. Still some ex lo cost and quite a few ex Malaysian although did hear that several of those are struggling. Cabin crew numbers around 120 per week, 7 new courses start each week with around 15-17 newbies on each course. Standard of English amongst them varies greatly!
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Slightly above that, around 60 last month. Lot's of bright and enthusiastic turboprop guys and girls joining thinking Christmas has come early, some of them only 24-25 years of age. Bit different to 10 years ago. Still some ex lo cost and quite a few ex Malaysian although did hear that several of those are struggling. Cabin crew numbers around 120 per week, 7 new courses start each week with around 15-17 newbies on each course. Standard of English amongst them varies greatly!
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You've gotta love it when a new hire struggles
Let me reply with a suggestive question:
Would you like to end your 12h night duty into crappy weather with a new hire that needed two additional sim sessions with more than 60 landings, to get a minimum of 3 consecutive within limits? Which happens to be the new limitation instructors get (imposed) to release the much needed reinforcement on the line?
I guess even your answer must be .... errhhhh, no thanks. It's kicking the can down to the outskirt roads of simple line captains who struggle with the 98h+ hours anyway.
We have a right to be sceptical and to raise this issue without being wise-a$$ed , as we have to pick-up the slack.
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The average each month this year is 48. It's a great opportunity for some with little experience.
The issue is that management have seen what they propose work in a stable environment with a closely supervised, single culture airline where communication skills are not an issue.
You can make a slight adjustment to adapt training in one or two areas but a wholesale change will lead to disaster.
So far to attract numbers we have got HR to select pilots and decided the sim cannot be failed, just need more training I am told. Would a crash in an actual aircraft disbar a pilot?
Add to that, experienced Captains leaving and pilots with poor foundation training being recruited. Then a change to recurrent training, inexperienced trainers, a watering down of the command LOE. I think we will need extra sticking plaster for the Swiss Cheese.
In the past we selected pilots on the following criteria:
1. Demonstrable quality of basic training
2. Sufficient hours to gain a reasonable level of jet experience
3. Familiarity with one of our aircraft types
4. A safe national aviation industry.
5. Maturity
New requirements:
1. Ability to BS HR
2. A pulse
3. Having seen a jet
The risks we face on the line will go through the roof. Pilots with shady basic training, poor language skills, way behind the jet are about to be released to fly to Hong in a typhoon along with a Captain who's LOE stretched as far as a computer reset.. What could possibly go wrong?
Well we have evidence, GPWS warnings ignored, high energy approaches, just look at the data from when we lowered DEC requirements around 2005.
Good luck to all
The issue is that management have seen what they propose work in a stable environment with a closely supervised, single culture airline where communication skills are not an issue.
You can make a slight adjustment to adapt training in one or two areas but a wholesale change will lead to disaster.
So far to attract numbers we have got HR to select pilots and decided the sim cannot be failed, just need more training I am told. Would a crash in an actual aircraft disbar a pilot?
Add to that, experienced Captains leaving and pilots with poor foundation training being recruited. Then a change to recurrent training, inexperienced trainers, a watering down of the command LOE. I think we will need extra sticking plaster for the Swiss Cheese.
In the past we selected pilots on the following criteria:
1. Demonstrable quality of basic training
2. Sufficient hours to gain a reasonable level of jet experience
3. Familiarity with one of our aircraft types
4. A safe national aviation industry.
5. Maturity
New requirements:
1. Ability to BS HR
2. A pulse
3. Having seen a jet
The risks we face on the line will go through the roof. Pilots with shady basic training, poor language skills, way behind the jet are about to be released to fly to Hong in a typhoon along with a Captain who's LOE stretched as far as a computer reset.. What could possibly go wrong?
Well we have evidence, GPWS warnings ignored, high energy approaches, just look at the data from when we lowered DEC requirements around 2005.
Good luck to all
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Your reply, hinting somewhat sarcastically at my comment, would be more understandable were it not for the fact that some of these guys have come from the B777. It's not about the new SOP's, it's about not being able to land the bloody thing. Considering some have several years on type, it does beg the question what were they doing before arriving at EK.
Learning is one thing. Struggling is another. Inability to land a plane? I would have thought that was a given......for a professional pilot.
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Your reply, hinting somewhat sarcastically at my comment, would be more understandable were it not for the fact that some of these guys have come from the B777. It's not about the new SOP's, it's about not being able to land the bloody thing. Considering some have several years on type, it does beg the question what were they doing before arriving at EK.
Learning is one thing. Struggling is another. Inability to land a plane? I would have thought that was a given......for a professional pilot.
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I have flown with many Malaysian pilots in EK (not the new ones yet) and they are generally very capable and professional.
Unfortunately, Malaysia is also prone to the wasta culture, where nepotism and cronysm is rampant. This probably explains why a B777 rated pilot cannot land or operate an aircraft competently.
Unfortunately, Malaysia is also prone to the wasta culture, where nepotism and cronysm is rampant. This probably explains why a B777 rated pilot cannot land or operate an aircraft competently.
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Would you like to end your 12h night duty into crappy weather with a new hire that needed two additional sim sessions with more than 60 landings, to get a minimum of 3 consecutive within limits? Which happens to be the new limitation instructors get (imposed) to release the much needed reinforcement on the line?
Where do you get that BS from?
