EK Financial Results Announcement
Bugga, think I am washing my hair then.
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Out of curiosity...
Did we get this kind of formal invitation on the years there was no profit share?
Better yet, did we get an invitation last year when it was a measly 3 weeks?
Just wondering... as my brain can't remember farther back then yesterdays India night turn around.
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Did we get this kind of formal invitation on the years there was no profit share?
Better yet, did we get an invitation last year when it was a measly 3 weeks?
Just wondering... as my brain can't remember farther back then yesterdays India night turn around.
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Yes, we got an invite for last year.
No formal function the previous years when 0 bonus, they just send an e-mail at 5pm Thursday!
So QED they see it as a "good news" announcement.
Will be interesting to see what the troops think!
No formal function the previous years when 0 bonus, they just send an e-mail at 5pm Thursday!
So QED they see it as a "good news" announcement.
Will be interesting to see what the troops think!
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Already sent my "respectful" question. Questions in the invitation were requested. "We were told that the increase in hours to 90+ was temporary. When can we expect relief from this and if not, why not?" Simple really. That seems to be the biggest complaint, here is a small chance and just maybe it has the potential to be addressed in a public forum. I will not hold my breath, however. If enough pilots ask a similar question, it might hold some weight.
We were told that the increase in hours to 90+ was temporary.
I was at a training meeting the morning the increase to 92 hours prod threshold was made. Someone asked TCAS if it would be reduced back after the "crisis" was over, and after some pointed looking at his shoes, he said "I'm not going to make a promise I can't keep".
It was obvious that once gone it wasn't ever coming back.
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Great! I'm expecting 14-16 weeks profit share. The largest profit share ever.
I'll be there and will walk out before the festivities are over if we don't get what we all expect and deserve.
I'll be there and will walk out before the festivities are over if we don't get what we all expect and deserve.
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I'd just like to add something, while we're predicting huge PS's:
TC has been quoted to me a few times now by skippers who are convinced by the NBC interview that we are about to announce a new record. I really hope we are, but a bit of caution before we keep going on.
What he actually said was that "we are about to announce some of the highest profits we have ever made".
It doesn't matter who made the money, Ek or dnata, it's the group profit that matters. But the 'some' bit DOES matter. 'Some of the highest' could mean the 4th highest, or the 6th highest. As with everything, it sounds like the biggest profit share ever is on the way, but in truth, and without making TC or HH a liar, we could get 2 weeks.
Everybody will rage and rant but they would hold their hands up (well, in reality they just wouldn't say anything) and say that they told the truth, it was us who jumped to the wrong conclusion as we have done so many times:
-Are they showing new joiners Meydan yet or are they still showing them DSO as examples of company housing? DSO IS company housing, after all...
-Are they telling guys not to expect all 42 days leave? I am given 42 days leave in my contract after all...
-Are they telling guys that to get their 'personal chauffeur service' (read the careers page) they will have to wait 25 minutes after they ask for it, share it with other guys who only live nearby, not next to, them (and will only be at the waiting area in ten minutes) and stay awake after that all night turnaround (which is actually illegal) because their chauffeur is so tired he keeps falling asleep at the wheel and swerving into the next lane?
Sorry for the rant, wanted to say that for a while...
TC has been quoted to me a few times now by skippers who are convinced by the NBC interview that we are about to announce a new record. I really hope we are, but a bit of caution before we keep going on.
What he actually said was that "we are about to announce some of the highest profits we have ever made".
It doesn't matter who made the money, Ek or dnata, it's the group profit that matters. But the 'some' bit DOES matter. 'Some of the highest' could mean the 4th highest, or the 6th highest. As with everything, it sounds like the biggest profit share ever is on the way, but in truth, and without making TC or HH a liar, we could get 2 weeks.
Everybody will rage and rant but they would hold their hands up (well, in reality they just wouldn't say anything) and say that they told the truth, it was us who jumped to the wrong conclusion as we have done so many times:
-Are they showing new joiners Meydan yet or are they still showing them DSO as examples of company housing? DSO IS company housing, after all...
-Are they telling guys not to expect all 42 days leave? I am given 42 days leave in my contract after all...
-Are they telling guys that to get their 'personal chauffeur service' (read the careers page) they will have to wait 25 minutes after they ask for it, share it with other guys who only live nearby, not next to, them (and will only be at the waiting area in ten minutes) and stay awake after that all night turnaround (which is actually illegal) because their chauffeur is so tired he keeps falling asleep at the wheel and swerving into the next lane?
Sorry for the rant, wanted to say that for a while...
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Hahaha
Showing up on the 7th, for what?
Spending a day off in hq? You must be kidding right?
And how much can they give us, they increased the flying hours in 2008 i believe with 30+ percent. So basicaly giving that much of a salary decrease, because extra hours were not paid.
If they will match that aaaaaand then a decent salary increase, so we can at least beat the 15 percent inflation, yes then i might show up.
Everything else is just a farce....
I'll be in my bed recovering during a planned vacation to get ready to be abused for another year before i get my next leave.
So that feels good, good night all
N
Spending a day off in hq? You must be kidding right?
And how much can they give us, they increased the flying hours in 2008 i believe with 30+ percent. So basicaly giving that much of a salary decrease, because extra hours were not paid.
If they will match that aaaaaand then a decent salary increase, so we can at least beat the 15 percent inflation, yes then i might show up.
Everything else is just a farce....
I'll be in my bed recovering during a planned vacation to get ready to be abused for another year before i get my next leave.
So that feels good, good night all
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At the training meeting when TCAS was asked, he said the 92 hours would stay for productivity payments but we would still be rostered to 78 hours.......anyway, that lasted 2 months!!
At the training meeting when TCAS was asked, he said the 92 hours would stay for productivity payments but we would still be rostered to 78 hours.......anyway, that lasted 2 months!!
Agreed Kingpost. He did say 92hrs would not become a target. However his lips did move. I wonder why it is spelt tCas.
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still trying to drop a trip. IF that happens, I will be happy to waste part of my day at HQ and I will gladly ask why flights are being planned at a CI that the aircraft can't safely and comfortably fly.....is it so the pilots can fly more time at no cost to EK?
A few of the whiz-bangs we employ ran the numbers with oil at $80 per barrel for the last quarter, after the hedges ran out.
It showed a 12week profit share. The issue is that oil has been NOWHERE near that price for the last 3 months. So it should be far above that.
The issue with the raise is that it is permanent. The PS is only a one time pay, so much easier for them to swallow. But recruitment is hurting badly and only a healthy increase everywhere is gonna fix that.
Here's hoping.
A few of the whiz-bangs we employ ran the numbers with oil at $80 per barrel for the last quarter, after the hedges ran out.
It showed a 12week profit share. The issue is that oil has been NOWHERE near that price for the last 3 months. So it should be far above that.
The issue with the raise is that it is permanent. The PS is only a one time pay, so much easier for them to swallow. But recruitment is hurting badly and only a healthy increase everywhere is gonna fix that.
Here's hoping.
Just curious pilotguy-are you a real pilot? Can't safely fly at CI400-really? What is the max CI the FMC takes- (hint-it is 4 figures so a lot more than 400)-which is within the certification envelope of the aircraft-ie already has a safety margin built in. What is the Mmo? If we are going to complain-which needs to be done-at least do it based on facts-otherwise all arguments are invalid. It doesn't matter how many good points you have-as soon as you sprout BS you are discredited on all. 
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The risk of an over speed with CI400 is obviously higher, but seriously boys, put the paper down and manage it. It's not that hard. As to why it's being applied, it seems like a final panic move to alleviate the pilot shortage. But what do I know? And, as usual, they ain't saying. Let's see what the announcement brings in a few days. Money is the band aid, but will they supply the antibiotic?
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10,000,000 Pounds per annum sponsorship for 2 ribbons to be attached to the "FA Cup". A 1 off event with a few minutes exposure on the lifting of the FA cup!
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736 Teams last year and season long exposure
Not that I agree with 30 million
736 Teams last year and season long exposure
Not that I agree with 30 million