EK Financial Results Announcement
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Possibly due to the GCAA looking to save face after the WSJ article- stand by for sign-on to be 1:30, which will make some turn-arounds impossible unless we go fast.
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Are they really planning every flight at CI400 going forward?
Or is this up to discretion? Most other major operators allow their crews to use big CIs when necessary. Curfew, delays, to protect connections etc.
Or is this up to discretion? Most other major operators allow their crews to use big CIs when necessary. Curfew, delays, to protect connections etc.
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CI400 is bandaid culture. Go fast to join the DESDI hold must be some of the least intelligent measures, but reflects the knee jerk management of EK today.
However we sustain it as long as we can read silly ASRs (of today) where so called captains pretend they "had" to go into discretion
and have to be continuously "reminded" to submit a fatigue report.
As long as this happens, no complaint about 90h+ will be taken seriously by the bounty castle.
Park the aircraft if out of regular FDR, ground yourself if fatigued and ffs submit these FRs! You want change, act accordingly.
However we sustain it as long as we can read silly ASRs (of today) where so called captains pretend they "had" to go into discretion
and have to be continuously "reminded" to submit a fatigue report. As long as this happens, no complaint about 90h+ will be taken seriously by the bounty castle.
Park the aircraft if out of regular FDR, ground yourself if fatigued and ffs submit these FRs! You want change, act accordingly.
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Is there really a process for issuing those directives or is it left to one's imagination and good literature ?
If this continues the market will be flooded with 3800 pilots looking for jobs.
Sign me up for the next roadshow
If this continues the market will be flooded with 3800 pilots looking for jobs.
Sign me up for the next roadshow
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Block time.
This month alone I have flown 3 trips (6 flights) where both sectors had flight time over block time in three cases in excess of 30 minutes. This is due to airspace closure. Costing me about 4 hours of flight pay. This airspace has been closed for more than a month now. This same company can find 3 aspirin on a 4 page hospital bill and payroll deduct the 6 dhs., due to the "over the counter" clause.
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Great fun habibis, fastest I have ever been in the 777, .86 and they want me to fly it, awesome..
When I asked the dispatcher WTF the new "Policy" was, he chuckled and said quite a few had asked him that this morning
Get to the aircraft bzzzz, and out the new Co/Notam comes out of the ACARS printer...
The wheels on the bus, go round and round..... Actually the wheels have fallen off.
SyB
When I asked the dispatcher WTF the new "Policy" was, he chuckled and said quite a few had asked him that this morning
Get to the aircraft bzzzz, and out the new Co/Notam comes out of the ACARS printer...
The wheels on the bus, go round and round..... Actually the wheels have fallen off.
SyB
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This will do wonders for their OTP as we drop the parking brake with the tug connected and let the clock run, whilst being told there is a 10 minute delay for push. 
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A pessimist might suggest that, going forward, all flights will be 'rostered' with a block time based on CI400, but flown at more usual CI - the deliberate difference in schedule and actual block times being free flying pay for EK..
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Possibly Wiz, there was no nice little timeline in the briefing package on my last trip....see no evil, hear no evil...la la la la I see NOTHZING!
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I have to agree with you Trimotor,
Do you think they are doing this for our benefit. We get paid "Rostered Block". CI400 will reduce that rostered block every month. Due to the usual environmental and ATC factors we will never be able to fly at that speed all the time. Your 95 hour month has just been reduced to 91 paid hours saving a shed load of overtime. They would rather burn the money than give it to us.
Now get back to work you lazy pilots.
J
Do you think they are doing this for our benefit. We get paid "Rostered Block". CI400 will reduce that rostered block every month. Due to the usual environmental and ATC factors we will never be able to fly at that speed all the time. Your 95 hour month has just been reduced to 91 paid hours saving a shed load of overtime. They would rather burn the money than give it to us.
Now get back to work you lazy pilots.
J
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I agree with tri.
Adding to the same illogical thinking (It sometimes pays to play golf with strangers and not outing yourself as pilot):
One of the middle management EK morons lately boasted that the 90+ hours per EK pilot are necessary because on average those lazy pilots take about two sick days per month, around 10 hours productivity. The company decided to increase monthly hours to cover for that and get at least 80h out of every pilot. Tit for tat!
Now according this stupid logic, any pilot not taking those 2 days effectively works overtime for free.
I asked if a similar calculation applied to office workers, he replied that this was not necessary as they worked on regular office hour schedules ........
Adding to the same illogical thinking (It sometimes pays to play golf with strangers and not outing yourself as pilot):
One of the middle management EK morons lately boasted that the 90+ hours per EK pilot are necessary because on average those lazy pilots take about two sick days per month, around 10 hours productivity. The company decided to increase monthly hours to cover for that and get at least 80h out of every pilot. Tit for tat!
Now according this stupid logic, any pilot not taking those 2 days effectively works overtime for free.
I asked if a similar calculation applied to office workers, he replied that this was not necessary as they worked on regular office hour schedules ........
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Its hiding in plain sight lads and m'lads......
"The CI is the ratio of the time-related cost of an airplane operation and the cost of fuel. The value of the CI reflects the relative effects of fuel cost on overall trip cost as compared to time-related direct operating costs.
In equation form: CI =Time cost ~ $/hrFuel cost ~ cents/lb
The flight crew enters the company-calculated CI into the control display unit (CDU) of the FMC. The FMC then uses this number and other performance parameters to calculate economy (ECON) climb, cruise, and descent speeds.
For all models, entering zero for the CI results in maximum range airspeed and minimum trip fuel. This speed schedule ignores the cost of time.
Conversely, if the maximum value for CI is entered, the FMC uses a minimum time speed schedule. This speed schedule calls for maximum flight envelope speeds, and ignores the cost of fuel"
Fuel is cheap as chips, so they finally have figured out that they can get a pile more productivity from us by reducing actual block time. How many more nautical miles can they get out of us lazy pilots and the Cabin Crew per month now?...........more fatigue and acceptable low levels of alertness....but it's legal right????..................
Maybe they are getting short of crew, and need to squeeze us all more.....who frigging knows. (Anyone still recall how we all happily took the productivity threshold increase to 92 hours in the starfish without so much as a whimper?).
At the end of the day, no matter WTF is going on, we can all be warm and fuzzy, as there is no doubt, that it will only benefit them. Whether its a crew shortfall due to the appalling treatment of us all, or 0.003 fils that can be made per flight......WE WILL PAY FOR IT.
Just do as you are told and stick your head back in the sand, and convince yourselves that although our terms have diminished an unbelievable amount in the last 10 years, we are still doing okay and seeing as we'll all be dead at 55 anyway, it's also okay that we cant save money anymore or invest in our, or our children's futures.
Remember.......A good Pilot knows that he should just SuckItUp..........
"The CI is the ratio of the time-related cost of an airplane operation and the cost of fuel. The value of the CI reflects the relative effects of fuel cost on overall trip cost as compared to time-related direct operating costs.
In equation form: CI =Time cost ~ $/hrFuel cost ~ cents/lb
The flight crew enters the company-calculated CI into the control display unit (CDU) of the FMC. The FMC then uses this number and other performance parameters to calculate economy (ECON) climb, cruise, and descent speeds.
For all models, entering zero for the CI results in maximum range airspeed and minimum trip fuel. This speed schedule ignores the cost of time.
Conversely, if the maximum value for CI is entered, the FMC uses a minimum time speed schedule. This speed schedule calls for maximum flight envelope speeds, and ignores the cost of fuel"
Fuel is cheap as chips, so they finally have figured out that they can get a pile more productivity from us by reducing actual block time. How many more nautical miles can they get out of us lazy pilots and the Cabin Crew per month now?...........more fatigue and acceptable low levels of alertness....but it's legal right????..................
Maybe they are getting short of crew, and need to squeeze us all more.....who frigging knows. (Anyone still recall how we all happily took the productivity threshold increase to 92 hours in the starfish without so much as a whimper?).
At the end of the day, no matter WTF is going on, we can all be warm and fuzzy, as there is no doubt, that it will only benefit them. Whether its a crew shortfall due to the appalling treatment of us all, or 0.003 fils that can be made per flight......WE WILL PAY FOR IT.
Just do as you are told and stick your head back in the sand, and convince yourselves that although our terms have diminished an unbelievable amount in the last 10 years, we are still doing okay and seeing as we'll all be dead at 55 anyway, it's also okay that we cant save money anymore or invest in our, or our children's futures.
Remember.......A good Pilot knows that he should just SuckItUp..........
All good points but what does it matter if you end up in the Desdi hold for 20 minutes - very bizarre. Speed up to go around in circles. We live in strange times.
short flights long nights
I would suggest that the smartest person in the room that thought this one up, ignored the fact that aircraft spend a long time in the hold.
They just thought....'hey if we sped them up, we can cut a few hours off each roster, so we can whack a couple of more flights into each roster'.....
The fact that you are speeding towards the hold is beyond their comprehension.....
But boy it looks good on paper.
They just thought....'hey if we sped them up, we can cut a few hours off each roster, so we can whack a couple of more flights into each roster'.....
The fact that you are speeding towards the hold is beyond their comprehension.....
But boy it looks good on paper.
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Just playing devils advocate but if everyone speeds up then the guy at the front of the queue gets there faster ,so the holding should be about the same but total block time less.
