EK Financial Results Announcement
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I for one want to see an increase in the per diems when down route. I'm fed up having to pay from my own money to fill my kite and get bladdered on every layover, tsk.
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Sick days are an effective tool all crew (captains) need to utilise. Manage your fatigue/92 hrs a month with a sick day or two a month (preferably near the end of the month to mitigate roster recovery), its a message the company gets. No manager will put in writing they want you to fly sick or fatigued. GCAA is on the airlines (EK and unmentionable) side but they won't tolerate breaking the rules that blatantly as they strive for their ICAO recognition.
The pressure the company puts on you is expected: removal of self certification , delayed upgrade, denied captain transition from A330/340 to A380 etc.
Go to the clinic, certify your lack or sleep from back to back roster and manage your 92 hrs a month. Get your upgrade, manage your roster.
Its not the answer, its a message to management.
Word is 10 freighter flights have already been parked/pawned off on other contractors due lack of crew. Call sick and this may translate through to Pax flights. The management will sit up. Heads will roll if pax flights are parked. fight back.
The pressure the company puts on you is expected: removal of self certification , delayed upgrade, denied captain transition from A330/340 to A380 etc.
Go to the clinic, certify your lack or sleep from back to back roster and manage your 92 hrs a month. Get your upgrade, manage your roster.
Its not the answer, its a message to management.
Word is 10 freighter flights have already been parked/pawned off on other contractors due lack of crew. Call sick and this may translate through to Pax flights. The management will sit up. Heads will roll if pax flights are parked. fight back.
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I spoke to someone from a freight carrier yesterday, they get paid overtime from 65 hours, which, for arguments sake is a bit low, so add an extra 10 hours, that is still 17 below EK. We have no idea on how we're being screwed!
They have a day off buy back scheme, the company pays $2500 per day!!
We have fallen so far behind, I don't think we can ever catch up to "real" airline rates!
They have a day off buy back scheme, the company pays $2500 per day!!
We have fallen so far behind, I don't think we can ever catch up to "real" airline rates!
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I spoke to someone from a freight carrier yesterday, they get paid overtime from 65 hours, which, for arguments sake is a bit low, so add an extra 10 hours, that is still 17 below EK. We have no idea on how we're being screwed!
They also have a day off buy back scheme, the company pays $2500 per day!!
We have fallen so far behind, I don't think we can ever catch up to "real" airline rates!
They also have a day off buy back scheme, the company pays $2500 per day!!
We have fallen so far behind, I don't think we can ever catch up to "real" airline rates!
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Kingpost - At least EK if you do get called on a day off you can bargain with them. FZ get 2 extra hours of flight pay on top of normal and nothing more. No extra day off, no trying to get little extra's on your roster etc.
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So??? I'm sure at McDonalds they get even less for an off day... What's your point? Just because at FZ it's even worse than here doesn't make it any better... You should compare big, long haul airlines with the likes, not with low cost, short haul.
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Thanks for that educationally condescending post W.S. My point was to compare two carriers operating in the same home base. You say compare it to other long haul carriers - that's great but start doing that and we then start opening another can of worms regarding certain enforceable labour laws etc.
I didn't say it makes it any better! I was merely making a point which last time I checked I was fully entitled to do.
I didn't say it makes it any better! I was merely making a point which last time I checked I was fully entitled to do.
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Alan,
I'm fully aware he has a point - no need for the quip about the little man syndrome.
He also mentioned that FZ is low cost - but they don't advertise anymore as "low cost". Last time I checked EK does short haul as well yes? Operating MCT, BAH etc. Is that not short haul or should I stop comparing the short haul part because its being operated by EK on a widebody.
Why do we have people comparing Southwest to AA/DL etc. Are they not different? But yet being an american carrier and benefits etc people compare them to EK and how staff are treated.
Regardless of this I think I'd rather watch the news coverage of the G.Election than go listen how great things are et al...
I'm fully aware he has a point - no need for the quip about the little man syndrome.
He also mentioned that FZ is low cost - but they don't advertise anymore as "low cost". Last time I checked EK does short haul as well yes? Operating MCT, BAH etc. Is that not short haul or should I stop comparing the short haul part because its being operated by EK on a widebody.
Why do we have people comparing Southwest to AA/DL etc. Are they not different? But yet being an american carrier and benefits etc people compare them to EK and how staff are treated.
Regardless of this I think I'd rather watch the news coverage of the G.Election than go listen how great things are et al...
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Pax flights are already being cancelled.
There has already been one 48 hour CGK stopover very recently.
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hmmmm...well excuse me for using the word "safely". CI....Don't know what it goes to, and don't really care. 4 digits eh....cool. Climbing out at 330kts with a 5kt buffer? Not fun. Cruising the last 6hr flight....speed break 4x to prevent overspeeds, and once to full extension. You can call it what you like. 
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JUMPSEATS coming to mind, applying the same rules that apply to roster when it comes roster swaps, not putting a duty in between your 5 days off, and it will cost the company nothing, but it will keep a lot of pilots happy..... Just my 5cents